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View Poll Results: Should a business be able to deny service to a customer if the request conflicts with the owner’s re
Yes 105 54.12%
No 80 41.24%
Not sure 9 4.64%
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Old 08-07-2017, 11:46 PM
 
Location: Unperson Everyman Land
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It does seem like a slippery slope. Over the past couple of years, these laws have been created as a response to business owners being forced to serve gays or same-sex marriage ceremonies, but it's easy to imagine using that type of law to deny service to anyone for any reason.





So much wrong with this...


It's either a violation of their faith or it isn't.


These laws (laws like them) have been around for more than just the past couple years.


No one has objected to serving gays.


The objection is to being forced to participate in a same-sex wedding ceremony.


A business owner may deny service to anyone and for any reason as long as the reason isn't an illegal reason.

 
Old 08-07-2017, 11:54 PM
 
Location: Finland
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No. Religion belongs at home, and if a business owner is can't separate their private religion from their public business they shouldn't be running a business, or should be a running a business that doesn't expect them to cater for things against their beliefs like Muslims not running a business that sells alcohol or pork. Don't sell wedding cakes if you think that selling them to gays might endanger your immortal soul or rubbish like that.
 
Old 08-08-2017, 12:02 AM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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Sadly, "most" here means white and Christian.

And if the flaws in a business model do not affect the majority, then it isnt going to affect the business all that much either.
You're running on unfounded fear again.

If a baker refuses to serve minorities he isn't going to stay open for long because

1. Minorities will buy at his competitor
2. Most non-minorities are not racist and won't go to his shop

The free market will correct accordingly.

You statists can get pretty paranoid with this doom and gloom stuff and how most people are a tick away from being Hitler reincarnated with the only thing stopping them from doing so is the government.
 
Old 08-08-2017, 12:04 AM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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NO. If you want to own a business then why would anyone put up with their discrimination. They would make more money if they didn't discriminate
Because you own the product/service. If you want to run a business model that doesn't succeed you'll either close down or adjust to fight another day.
 
Old 08-08-2017, 12:55 AM
 
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Originally Posted by lkb0714 View Post
But if your religious beliefs are a fundamental right to deny a service how are they not a right to utilize in order to break a contract? In order for a contract to now be considered binding every aspect of someone's religious beliefs would need to be laid out in the contract, because now religious belief is a protected class to deny service. Disparate religious beliefs now become "misrepresentation" which is one of the reasons already used to legally break a contract. Keep in mind this is not intentional misrepresentation and need not include deliberate action.
If they have objections to serving specific people, it's incumbent upon them to vet that ahead of time or have it included in the contract.
 
Old 08-08-2017, 01:01 AM
 
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No. Religion belongs at home, and if a business owner is can't separate their private religion from their public business they shouldn't be running a business, or should be a running a business that doesn't expect them to cater for things against their beliefs like Muslims not running a business that sells alcohol or pork. Don't sell wedding cakes if you think that selling them to gays might endanger your immortal soul or rubbish like that.
When a person starts a business, that doesn't make them a slave to the public.

Non-essential businesses should have freedom of association and the right of inaction for any reason, even racism or sexism.

The government has no business in it when there is no harm. Not getting a cake isn't harm.
 
Old 08-08-2017, 06:37 AM
 
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They shouldn't be allowed to refuse service due to religious beliefs. They are running a business. They need to leave their religious beliefs at home when dealing with the public.
Do they advertise their religious beliefs???Do they ask customers about their beliefs first to weed out the customers they don't want?




The answer is no.
 
Old 08-08-2017, 06:53 AM
 
Location: SE Asia
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They shouldn't be allowed to refuse service due to religious beliefs. They are running a business. They need to leave their religious beliefs at home when dealing with the public.
(They) are running a business. Their choice. Their choice may cost them future customers.
Should a business be allowed to turn away customers they feel can't pay?
What about a gun shop? Can they decline a sale because the individual is acting in a strange manner?
I support the LGBT community and feel that they should have all the rights enjoyed by all others. I also believe that people should have the right to decline customers. There are exceptions. Health care etc.
 
Old 08-08-2017, 07:09 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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Originally Posted by No_Recess View Post
You're running on unfounded fear again.

If a baker refuses to serve minorities he isn't going to stay open for long because

1. Minorities will buy at his competitor
2. Most non-minorities are not racist and won't go to his shop

The free market will correct accordingly.

You statists can get pretty paranoid with this doom and gloom stuff and how most people are a tick away from being Hitler reincarnated with the only thing stopping them from doing so is the government.
The free market never solved discrimination against blacks in the south. These religious tests by right wing religious groups are so over exaggerated, if you have a business you need to treat everyone equally.
 
Old 08-08-2017, 07:19 AM
 
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A business is not a person. It should not be able to discriminate.
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