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Old 11-05-2017, 06:31 AM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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Yes, I'm sure Trump thinks it is "the saddest thing" that he can't jail anyone who criticizes him and drop charges against all his criminal cronies. Because that's exactly what he would do.

It was always clear to me from Day One that this guy's megalomaniac, dictatorial approach to life will mean attempts to grossly overstep the powers of the Executive branch. And his populist American First spiel is really just a smokescreen to get people to go along with Trump First. I called it a long time ago that this guy is dangerous for our democracy. He does not respect the institutions and checks and balances that are vital to preserve our individual freedoms.

And you Trumpers thought Obama was overstepping his authority... at least he wasn't publicly salivating at trying to jail political opponents and threatening to change libel laws to shut up the press criticisms.

What Trump thinks is the saddest thing is actually the greatest thing for America. If this place survives as a viable representative democracy, it will be because of the checks and balances that withstood this idiot's attempt to behave like a King (and an immature one at that).



Donald Trump: 'Saddest thing' is I'm not supposed to influence DOJ, FBI - Business Insider
This is laughable. Substitute "Trump" for "Obama." They could just as easily be writing about the former President, who thought he was King.

Did Obama "respect the institutions and checks and balances?" No he did not. That's why he went around Congress and issued an E.O. to establish insurance subsidies after the Congress had said "no." Many other examples as well.

When has Trump overstepped his authority? Give me ONE instance. Go!

If Trump would do what Obama did for eight years, you Leftist would be all over him screaming for impeachment. But you gave Obama a free pass.
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Old 11-05-2017, 09:06 AM
 
Location: San Francisco, CA
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I didn't see anywhere in the link where Trump complains about the fact that he "cant dictate who goes to jail"?
Sorry, it didn't say that exact quote; I was assuming a baseline level of intelligence as well as a desire not to wilfully play dumb (sad when that's the best rebuttal strategy).

Allow me to educate you:

He is complaining about how frustrated he is and how unfair he thinks it is that he can't control the Justice Department.

By control of the Justice Department, he would have control over which charges to being against whom and when; particularly with respect to political rivals.

This is why we like to keep these powers separated.
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Old 11-05-2017, 09:12 AM
 
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Sorry, it didn't say that exact quote; I was assuming a baseline level of intelligence as well as a desire not to wilfully play dumb (sad when that's the best rebuttal strategy).

Allow me to educate you:

He is complaining about how frustrated he is and how unfair he thinks it is that he can't control the Justice Department.

By control of the Justice Department, he would have control over which charges to being against whom and when; particularly with respect to political rivals.

This is why we like to keep these powers separated.
So you are whining about Trump’s whine.

Meaning that’s all you have.
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Old 11-05-2017, 09:21 AM
 
Location: San Francisco, CA
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This is laughable. Substitute "Trump" for "Obama." They could just as easily be writing about the former President, who thought he was King.

Did Obama "respect the institutions and checks and balances?" No he did not. That's why he went around Congress and issued an E.O. to establish insurance subsidies after the Congress had said "no." Many other examples as well.

When has Trump overstepped his authority? Give me ONE instance. Go!

If Trump would do what Obama did for eight years, you Leftist would be all over him screaming for impeachment. But you gave Obama a free pass.
I see a lot of junk in the aforementioned. Allow me to clarify:

Obama never attempted to control the Judicial Branch, going to so far as to publicly voice his frustration at his inability to do so.
Trump fired FBI Director, undermined his Attorney General for recusal, and said a lot of public things to undermine both the Intelligence and the Judicial community for conducting the Investigation.

Obama's executive orders were not illegal, nor were they a subversion of check and balances; they were fully legal and there was court oversight; Supreme Court reviewed and said Individual Mandate is Constitutional.

Trump does a ton of executive orders (also not illegal per session, and courts block his Muslim ban), so if you thought they were overstepping authority during Obama, then you should really hate Trump.

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Old 11-05-2017, 09:24 AM
 
Location: Flyover Country
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One of the myriad problems with Trump is that the guy just doesn't grasp the concept of the presidency, its role, its power and limitations. Is that because he is either mendacious or mentally challenged? Or both perhaps.

Trump has shown he is an exceptionally slow learner. He makes the same mistakes over and over again.

Or are they mistakes?

His only gifts are in the arts of deception and deflection.

Trump ran on the Leninist/Bannon platform that he wanted to blow up the system. If that means destroying the very foundations that made this Country great -constitutional government, separation of powers, rule of law- well so be it.

The DOJ is just another part of the executive branch that must be brought down. After all, if the system is to be destroyed, the first go to are those that enforce the rules. A would be destroyer has little need for checks or balances.
All true, sadly.
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Old 11-05-2017, 09:24 AM
 
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Maybe he should control the IRS and dictate who gets to be the focus of their investigations..
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Old 11-05-2017, 09:25 AM
 
Location: San Francisco, CA
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So you are whining about Trump’s whine.

Meaning that’s all you have.
If you were an American who cared about this country, you would be concerned when a President is talking openly about his desire to manipulate the Judicial Branch powers for his own benefit.

But you're a Trumper, so naturally there is minimal concern about our country and fallout from having an erratic egomaniac in office trying to behave like a dictator.
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Old 11-05-2017, 09:25 AM
 
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Trump ran on the Leninist/Bannon platform that he wanted to blow up the system. If that means destroying the very foundations that made this Country great -constitutional government, separation of powers, rule of law- well so be it.
Oh please.. Obama didnt run on a system of undoing everything and changing the nation?
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Old 11-05-2017, 09:27 AM
 
Location: San Francisco, CA
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Oh please.. Obama didnt run on a system of undoing everything and changing the nation?
He didn't run on a platform of the Executive Branch trying to control the Judicial Branch and politicizing who does and doesn't go to jail.
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Old 11-05-2017, 09:28 AM
 
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If you were an American who cared about this country, you would be concerned when a President is talking openly about his desire to manipulate the Judicial Branch powers for his own benefit.

But you're a Trumper, so naturally there is minimal concern about our country and fallout from having an erratic egomaniac in office trying to behave like a dictator.
oh please.. Every President, and political party, wants to control the judicial branch, they make it very well known that if you "elect the other guy" they are going to put wackos on the bench, better vote for our side..
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