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Old 11-05-2017, 09:30 AM
 
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He didn't run on a platform of the Executive Branch trying to control the Judicial Branch and politicizing who does and doesn't go to jail.
Yes he did, Obama and the Democrats ran around telling us that if everyone voted for Republicans our side would put activist judges in place that would outlaw things like abortion, just like the right says that Democrats are gonna make abortion as common as buying a car..

both sides lie about it in order to try to put fear that the other sides gonna unfairly control the judicial branch
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Old 11-05-2017, 09:33 AM
 
Location: San Francisco, CA
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oh please.. Every President, and political party, wants to control the judicial branch, they make it very well known that if you "elect the other guy" they are going to put wackos on the bench, better vote for our side..
That is a flat-out LIE! Why do you do that?

Saying "if you elect the other guy.." is NOT the same as saying that you are frustrated and your inability to tell Federal Prosecutors who they should arrest. That is normal election trail talk and completely fair; this is attempts to directly tell the Justice Dept what to don


No other President in my lifetime has tried to heavy-handedly manipulate who the FBI and Justice Dept goes after like Trump does (but then again, none of them were under investigation for questionable behavior to the extent Trump is).
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Old 11-05-2017, 09:34 AM
 
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That is a flat-out LIE! Why do you do that?

Saying "if you elect the other guy.." is NOT the same as saying that you are frustrated and your inability to tell Federal Prosecutors who they should arrest. That is normal election trail talk and completely fair; this is attempts to directly tell the Justice Dept what to don

No other President in my lifetime has tried to heavy-handedly manipulate who the FBI and Justice Dept goes after like Trump does (but then again, none of them were under investigation for questionable behavior to the extent Trump is).
No its not a flat out lie...

https://www.politico.com/story/2016/...-legacy-226741

Obama and the Clintons used the IRS to go after conservative groups, the left defended that despite it being illegal, give it a break..
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Old 11-05-2017, 09:36 AM
 
Location: San Francisco, CA
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Yes he did, Obama and the Democrats ran around telling us that if everyone voted for Republicans our side would put activist judges in place that would outlaw things like abortion, just like the right says that Democrats are gonna make abortion as common as buying a car..

both sides lie about it in order to try to put fear that the other sides gonna unfairly control the judicial branch
Again, telling people that they shouldn't vote for someone because of the Supreme Court Justices they will nominate is not the same as telling people how frustrated you are that you can't tell the Justice Department to stop investigating you and instead arrest your political rivals.

What Trump is doing fine is NOT normal; it is NOT election trail rhetoric as usual; STOP trying to normalize it.
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Old 11-05-2017, 09:39 AM
 
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He could be but what do you consider those who have previously got us into all the rest of the endless wars?
Man you really are a one-issue guy
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Old 11-05-2017, 09:42 AM
 
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Again, telling people that they shouldn't vote for someone because of the Supreme Court Justices they will nominate is not the same as telling people how frustrated you are that you can't tell the Justice Department to stop investigating you and instead arrest your political rivals.

What Trump is doing fine is NOT normal; it is NOT election trail rhetoric as usual; STOP trying to normalize it.
The left supported the IRS going after non profits who leaned right, you have no moral ground to stand on this issue
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Old 11-05-2017, 09:47 AM
 
Location: London
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Man you really are a one-issue guy
The issue of endless wars is a damn big issue. It's much more dire than transgender bathroom drama or whatnot.
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Old 11-05-2017, 09:49 AM
 
Location: London
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The left supported the IRS going after non profits who leaned right, you have no moral ground to stand on this issue
So...tolerate this BS from the government forever just because the previous Administration had issues?

At what point are we allowed to say enough is enough - we need to have much higher standards for leaders?
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Old 11-05-2017, 09:53 AM
 
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Man you really are a one-issue guy
If anyone ever addressed it.........just like you didn't.
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Old 11-05-2017, 10:25 AM
 
Location: Chicago area
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One of the myriad problems with Trump is that the guy just doesn't grasp the concept of the presidency, its role, its power and limitations. Is that because he is either mendacious or mentally challenged? Or both perhaps.

Trump has shown he is an exceptionally slow learner. He makes the same mistakes over and over again.

Or are they mistakes?

His only gifts are in the arts of deception and deflection.

Trump ran on the Leninist/Bannon platform that he wanted to blow up the system. If that means destroying the very foundations that made this Country great -constitutional government, separation of powers, rule of law- well so be it.

The DOJ is just another part of the executive branch that must be brought down. After all, if the system is to be destroyed, the first go to are those that enforce the rules. A would be destroyer has little need for checks or balances.

He reminds me of mafia. Hey Uncle Vinney needs a job but he's not qualified. He did give you a lot of money for your campaign. One hand washes the other in the white house playground. Lets restrict the press and call them fake news. Lets relax FCC regulations so Sinclair can control the airwaves. Lets control the justice department. Well thankfully that's not going well. This whole smoke screen and deflection campaign to go after Clinton for something that happened 8(?) years ago is proving to be nothing more then a feeble attempt to deflect. Charges would have been filed a long time ago if there was indeed something there. Kudos to the DOJ for not bending to king Donald's fantasy.

Speaking of fantasy. What we have in Trump is a twisted old man that's used to being a rock star in his sketchy universe. I'm sure he had high hopes that that would translate into him being king Donald in the white house.

Is he qualified for the most important job in the world? Oh heck no, but we all can't be good at everything now can we. He should have stayed in his own kingdom surrounded by yes men that he pays for non stop praise and compliments.

As far as his comments go about not having control over the FBI and DOJ? I'm sure Mueller is listening.
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