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The revered 'Business Owner Caste' historically resisted the American Civil Rights Acts after their passage.
Using jury nullification, white American defendants accused of crimes against black Americans & other minorities were often acquitted by all-white juries, especially in the South, even in the face of irrefutable evidence.
The revered 'Business Owner Caste' historically resisted the American Civil Rights Acts after their passage.
Using jury nullification, white American defendants accused of crimes against black Americans & other minorities were often acquitted by all-white juries, especially in the South, even in the face of irrefutable evidence.
To name just a few.
What ever ...
bottom line .... FFL can refuse to sell for any reason and they do not have to specify the reason.
Maybe its racist, maybe its not ... maybe its just a bad feeling ..... maybe the FFL dealer has been questioned 3 times in the past month about guns they have legally sold that were used in crimes and now they are extra vigilant .. as the article says ...maybe he didn't like the color of the guys shoes. It don't matter.
He can refuse to sell for any reason and he does not have to specify the reason.
He is in business to sell guns. His major concern when it comes to color, is green, the color of money. To refuse to sell when you are in the business to sell, probably has a strong moral component, not racial.
Anyway, the guy in the video is kinda of stupid. The shop owner has already said he does not want this dudes business for what ever reason and the dude tries to counter by saying he will never buy a gun from him again. Well doh!
But we know exactly what happened by the shop owners answer on the clip. He very clearly said he didn't need a reason. He never said his behavior or the behavior of the friend was the reason. No he very clearly said he wasn't going to sell to him and he did not give a reason. Therefore we know the reason.
Have you never met someone and within a second knew that you and that person could never be friends? Never looked across a room and knew that a person on the other side was an azzhole? Be honest...
We all make those judgment calls.
In this case I don't know both sides of the story. I have seen the customer's side. I am not condemning the customer. For all I know he is a stand up guy and a great person. What I am saying is I need to hear what the gunshot owner says for himself, not what others say or the offended party says.
I will say it again. With the amount of senseless shootings happening today, if I were a gunshot owner, I would be very selective with my gun sales.
For example: About 2 years ago I was at my buddy's shop. A guy walks in smelling of last nights booze and looking more than a little scroungy. My friend refused him a sale. It was a gut check. The guy was talking trash about Obama and minorities in general. What he didn't know is that both my friend and I are both in mixed marriages. I don't care if that guy is a Pastor in a church, I will never sell him a gun and my friend won't either.
In some cases, yes. However, I would never be able to confirm without a background check. If you are a gun shop owner, you have a way of confirming if someone is a risk to public safety. It's called a background check. Gun stores can do that.
Smelling of alcohol is an obvious sign of not being right. Being a bigot is an obvious issue. With the man who refused to sell a gun to another person, he didn't give a reason other than "I don't know you won't sell it to a criminal". If said person wanted to confirm the possibility of that happening, that is what a background check is for.
If the gun shop owner could prove that it was an attempted straw purchase, half the posters would still yell "racism".
Except there is no proof a straw purchase was being attempted. What we know is what the store owner told that man. That is what we know. What else do we deduce from that interaction?
In some cases, yes. However, I would never be able to confirm without a background check. If you are a gun shop owner, you have a way of confirming if someone is a risk to public safety. It's called a background check. Gun stores can do that.
Smelling of alcohol is an obvious sign of not being right. Being a bigot is an obvious issue. With the man who refused to sell a gun to another person, he didn't give a reason other than "I don't know you won't sell it to a criminal". If said person wanted to confirm the possibility of that happening, that is what a background check is for.
Unless, of course, it actually was a straw purchase. That by definition is what that is: someone who can pass the NICS check buys a firearm for someone who can't.
My gut tells me that this is what this was. And, as usual, only one side is being presented.
As a further thought, I'd think you gun banners would be ecstatic there's not one more gun in private hands.
It is easier to tell if someone is drunk than if someone is a threat to public safety. There are obvious signs of drunkenness. I should know because I used to work at a restaurant and I've been around drunk people. I've also been drunk.
Public safety on the other hand, we have a more full-proof way of checking that. It's alot better than just looking at a person. It's called background checked. We have mental health checks. The person said "I don't know if you'll sell it to a thug". We have ways of assessing that danger. It's called background checks.
It matters to me because I care about right and wrong.
Then get on BATFE to suspend regulations regarding fitness of sale (things like suspicions that can lead to FFLS having licenses suspended or lengthy and expensive investigations if not acted on). FFLs are expected under current regs to be partial gatekeepers as well as retailers, get rid of the gatekeeper duty.
The way forward is clear, fill in a 4473 present ID, no self prohibition on form, NICS comes back clean then the FFL sells, no liability or responsibility once that check comes back 'proceed' and no BATFE involvement post sale. No concerns about anything other than what's presented on the 4473 either. No muss no fuss and zero liability.
Otherwise shut up, because it's a no win for FFLs, you can't expect them to responsibly evaluate customers, and demand they sell if basic procedures are met. Can't have it both ways.
Unless, of course, it actually was a straw purchase. That by definition is what that is: someone who can pass the NICS check buys a firearm for someone who can't.
My gut tells me that this is what this was. And, as usual, only one side is being presented.
As a further thought, I'd think you gun banners would be ecstatic there's not one more gun in private hands.
Well, I do not see any evidence of a straw purchase attempt. All I see is the gun shop owner being distrustful of the person trying to buy a gun. If someone wanted to make a straw purchase, there are easier places to do this, such as:
1) The streets
2) Gun shows
If there is such concern about straw purchases, go to these guns and close the loophole.
In response to your further thought, this is something I see. Many persons who were as pro-gun as one could get, suddenly are like "the guy has the right to refuse to sell the gun to that man". I would think the pro-gun types would be on the side of the person trying to buy the gun. Instead, it's the other way around. Myself, I'm consistent. I'm pro-gun and I'm on the side of the person trying to buy the gun.
Except there is no proof a straw purchase was being attempted. What we know is what the store owner told that man. That is what we know. What else do we deduce from that interaction?
Whatever you deduce is a guess. So you are blasting someone you don't know because you are guessing.
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