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Old 04-12-2018, 08:48 PM
 
Location: New York Area
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From Trump's actions, it doesn't at all surprise me there's something to hide that's probably financial. Mueller will either find it or he will not. It will either be impeachable or it will not. Time will tell.
Is the goal to "get something on him and make it stick." In Robert Penn Warren's All the King's Men the politician (obviously a clone of Huey Long) told the protagonist “get something on him, and make it stick.” The result, if I recall correctly, was a suicide attempt.

 
Old 04-12-2018, 09:23 PM
 
Location: Somewhere Out West
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So in conversation with someone in another state==say California--that might have different law--
As long as the recording is made in NY state, that is legitimate and useable as evidence in court if legally obtained?
Correct. As long as the recording was made in NY, it does not matter what the other jurisdiction says. I worked as a management consultant for a number of years and taped my calls/interviews with clients. One of the reasons some larger firms outsourced their work to me is I could tape a call based on the jurisdiction I lived in, where they could not.

This was reviewed by counsel before I started the practice and was assured it was legal.
 
Old 04-12-2018, 09:33 PM
 
Location: Chesapeake Bay
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Is the goal to "get something on him and make it stick." In Robert Penn Warren's All the King's Men the politician (obviously a clone of Huey Long) told the protagonist “get something on him, and make it stick.” The result, if I recall correctly, was a suicide attempt.
And???
 
Old 04-12-2018, 09:36 PM
 
Location: Ft. Myers
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Tapes of possible threats to people, payoffs, illegal dealings, who knows maybe even murder? Cohen and Trump are in deep, deep trouble. Comey said Trump acted like a mobster. I knew this was about more than Stormy.

Sure, Stormy is just one aspect of this whole investigation. Cohen is in some deep ****, and Donald Trump is sweating bullets. I bet we see some really radical act by Trump in the next week or so, he has to be trying to figure out what he can do to put a halt to all of this.

I'd love to be a little fly on the wall and watch what Trump is actually doing. If he is as angry as he has been on TV, can you begin to imagine what he is like in private ?
 
Old 04-12-2018, 09:42 PM
 
Location: Self explanatory
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Cohen has been awfully quiet regarding this. Does he know the *** is up? He's kind of know for his bluster, and legal threats to anyone who dares go after his Dear Leader/Father Figure. "I'll come after you for every penny you don't have". Remember the bragging, not even a couple of weeks ago, about how he looks forward to the $20M From Stormy's breach of the NDA, 20 times, at $1M each. He ain't so mouthy all the sudden, is he?
 
Old 04-12-2018, 09:42 PM
 
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What difference does it make if these tapes can be admissible as evidence or not in the long run? It's the leads that these tapes will provide for the investigation going forward.
Tapes are physical evidence of comments some people likely would not admit to saying on the stand or in a deposition
Having some comments on tape allow the prosecution to just avoid a lot of lies on part of people who would never admit their guilt...
 
Old 04-12-2018, 10:21 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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Recordings likely going back years??? OMG! As a former US DOL investigator the thought of just indexing that information - what a challenge. Today they could likely use transcription software to make the job easier but if there is anything of interest (include or exclude as something covered by attorney-client communication) it will take a human to listen closely.

Were I Cohen I would ask for me and my family to be placed in a witness protection program. I don't think they can request the court to secure his passport without an indictment (maybe a material witness?) but were I the FBI I would have him under surveillance.

Maybe I am just a crazy woman but his current demeanor is so different than how he has, reputably, behaved in the past. I wonder if he is medicated or .....?
 
Old 04-12-2018, 10:23 PM
 
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Tapes are physical evidence of comments some people likely would not admit to saying on the stand or in a deposition
Having some comments on tape allow the prosecution to just avoid a lot of lies on part of people who would never admit their guilt...
Yes, but my points is that if they are inadmissible as evidence for one reason or another, the information provided on them can still be of value to the investigation.
 
Old 04-12-2018, 10:27 PM
 
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Is the goal to "get something on him and make it stick." In Robert Penn Warren's All the King's Men the politician (obviously a clone of Huey Long) told the protagonist “get something on him, and make it stick.” The result, if I recall correctly, was a suicide attempt.
I don't think anyone in this saga is as tortured by the past and his own moral culpability as Jack Burden was...
But some are certainly as amoral as Willie Stark...
 
Old 04-12-2018, 10:29 PM
 
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Yes, but my points is that if they are inadmissible as evidence for one reason or another, the information provided on them can still be of value to the investigation.
Yes--and while/if not admissible in a court of law they certainly have bargaining power against the parties involved...
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