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Old 04-09-2018, 11:01 PM
 
Location: Caverns measureless to man...
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If Mueller was investigating you, your family and anyone you have worked for, has worked for you or has any sort of business relationship with you for the past 20 years or so he would all sorts of things to charge people with. And he would get convictions. Not saying the people surrounding you are bad or deserve that its that lots of people make mistakes or errors of judgment.

Now multiply that by a GOP campaign team and administration as well as Trumps business empire and look under every rock and charges and convictions will happen.

If Trump or anyone in his administration or campaign colluded with Russia lock them up. If this is simply a sex rendezvous that his attorney did not cover up properly then its like Bill and Monica. If that is all it is Trump should just use his pardon power and tie Mueller's hands.
But it's not that simple. Like all scandals, it's no longer only about what Trump initially did - it's now also about what he did to cover it up. And it's looking very much as though Trump's personal attorney may have committed felonies to help him conceal the affair, and quite possibly that Trump himself was personally involved in those efforts - which could then constitute a conspiracy to obstruct justice by the President of The United States.

 
Old 04-09-2018, 11:02 PM
 
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Trump is his own worst enemy.....
 
Old 04-09-2018, 11:04 PM
 
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Few points--
1--from this point forward Micheal Cohen likely cannot operate as Trump's attorney
That means the Daniels case has no prosecuting attorney or at least no lead attorney unless that guy they pulled from the weeds is going to head it...

2-POTUS can't pardon Cohen for any crimes he is charged with in this data sweep
 
Old 04-09-2018, 11:05 PM
 
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Trump is his own worst enemy.....
He is a bigger guy than that---
He is OUR worst enemy as well...
 
Old 04-09-2018, 11:07 PM
 
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Few points--
1--from this point forward Micheal Cohen likely cannot operate as Trump's attorney
That means the Daniels case has no prosecuting attorney or at least no lead attorney unless that guy they pulled from the weeds is going to head it...

2-POTUS can't pardon Cohen for any crimes he is charged with in this data sweep
Technically, he can - this is a federal case. Some people early on in this thread apparently misunderstood the jurisdiction and thought it was the New York State Attorney General who's leading the case, but that's not true. It's the federal DOJ.
 
Old 04-09-2018, 11:08 PM
 
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Trump is his own worst enemy.....
That might be the understatement of his whole administration. SO MUCH of the "Fake News" and issues he has, has been brought on solely by himself, and no one else.
 
Old 04-09-2018, 11:10 PM
 
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Well, I tend to view someone who withholds exculpatory evidence and ruin the lives of dozens of potentially innocent people and put tens of thousands of people out of work and who jeopardized the plea deal with Flynn for likely doing the same to him to not exactly be a man of integrity... so yeah, I offer no excuses and make no apologies for not considering Mueller a man of integrity.
You can be "potentially innocent" and still be investigated...

And Flynn's plea deal is not jeopardized

In fact, I think all that GOP refusal to go forward and investigate the Russian hacking of the election and any possible collusion with the Trump campaign is really tied to knowing they are compromised via their illegal campaign finance dealings with Cambridge Analytical and Strategic Campaign Group, Robert Mercer and Paul Manafort and likely Russian money...
I am thinking that is part of the documentation they were going for in raiding Cohen's locations...

And remember they DIDN'T go to Trump Corp to get Cohen's stuff
 
Old 04-09-2018, 11:11 PM
 
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Technically, he can - this is a federal case. Some people early on in this thread apparently misunderstood the jurisdiction and thought it was the New York State Attorney General who's leading the case, but that's not true. It's the federal DOJ.
Yes--my mistake
But depending on what is discovered -- part of it could be handed over to NY state--correct?
 
Old 04-09-2018, 11:12 PM
 
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You must watch CNN if you don't know the seriousness of the charges. Felony to lie to a FISA judge.
What ‘charges’ have their been? Show me the charges please.
 
Old 04-09-2018, 11:13 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Mr. In-Between View Post
Technically, he can - this is a federal case. Some people early on in this thread apparently misunderstood the jurisdiction and thought it was the New York State Attorney General who's leading the case, but that's not true. It's the federal DOJ.
This is correct. SDNY is a division of the DOJ responsible for a specific region in NY. Its jurisdiction just happens to cover a lot of heavy hitters of white collar crimes. There is no public indication that Schneiderman (the NY state AG) is pursuing a parallel criminal investigation (yet).
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