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Old 06-10-2018, 05:29 AM
 
Location: Ft. Myers
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Fair comments - but he came to the office more accomplished than most. In the real world - business.

I have no problem with a person being "accomplished and successful" in the business world. But I do have a problem with how Donald Trump got there. Did he do it by being ethical and honest , or did he get there by being shady, corrupt , and dishonest ? From everything I have seen about Donald Trump for decades, it was the latter. He has left a lot of unpaid, bilked out of their money workers, partners, and others in his wake, and he thinks that is "smart".


This is a man who is so corrupt that he kept a "fixer" on retainer to clean up after him. That is not an honorable, ethical businessman, that is a con man, thief, and liar. The problem is, those traits go to the character of the man and do not suddenly disappear because he has now taken the oath of office. Those traits go to the core of who that man is, and isn't.


I see all the time on here where Trumpees can only defend Trump by saying "Obama did this, or Hillary did that", but that is a lame defense. Obama and Hillary are GONE, they are history, they have no impact on what happens from today forward.............Donald Trump does. He is who we need to be concerned about because he has the power to not only cheat and bilk workers now, he has the power to destroy so much that so many Americans have worked hard to build.



Successful businessman, no problem. Successful dishonest, lying businessman representing America, big problem.
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Old 06-10-2018, 05:53 AM
 
Location: Austin
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trump has been upfront in meetings with our trading partners about what he wants in trade agreements. trump has been very clear that he is no longer satisfied with the status quo that unfairly benefited the economies of other countries and not America's economy. for trudeau to go on tv rather than tell trump to his face what he was really thinking made trump angry. is anyone surprised by trump's retaliatory reaction to trudeau's end run?

the jury is still out if trump's antagonistic negotiating tactics will provide positive results for American trade, but dismissing his approach out of hand is pure partisanship. after all, trump's aggressive approach resulted in several countries ponying up more funds towards NATO defense spending.
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Old 06-10-2018, 05:56 AM
 
Location: City Data Land
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Trump keeps doing things that make you wonder why previous U.S. Presidents weren't doing the same for the last 50 years.

It seems like they never had the courage.
Our previous presidents never had the so called "courage" to pick fights with our allies because they were a lot smarter than Trump. They knew the presidency was not the ultimate reality show with themselves as the stars. It is my utmost hope that these countries realize that Trump is the problem, not US sentiment in general, and they will forgive us for him and enjoy good relations with us after he leaves office.
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Old 06-10-2018, 05:57 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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Good post. But actually I think Trump will pull a "Reykjavik" at this meeting, and then a non-appeasement deal will be cut.
Why you would think that escapes logic. Insulting someone that you are negotiating with is always a poor strategy but Trumps supporters seem to think this is a winner. You wouldn't accept this behavior from a child but people seem to think that there is some sort strategy at work with these infantile outbursts.


Praising Russia while insulting our allies, sure that's been a proven success over and over.
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Old 06-10-2018, 06:03 AM
 
Location: NJ
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Trade agreements are signed by its participants trump is now tearing up all trade agreements making future trade agreements with the USA not worth the paper they are written on,and by default we may start to see the rest of the world carry on trade excluding America . An example of how it works =https://www.theguardian.com/australi...-in-snub-to-us
Agreements are dynamic and made to accommodate current economic fluctuation. It would be idiotic to maintain a position based on old data, especially if it was a disadvantage to you.


The one way profit, enjoyed by our partners, has come due and they don't want to pay.


America will never be excluded as a trading partner. If the world is reluctant to halt trade with Iran and NK, Russia energy supplies to EU and China, it is doubtful their greed will allow them to isolate the US.


Nobel laureates, with the gravitas of Obama and Gore and the Climate change panel at the UN ? Economists are in constant disagreement, even those from Harvard. Pick a side on which stands your favorite Harvard economist.
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Old 06-10-2018, 06:07 AM
 
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trump has been upfront in meetings with our trading partners about what he wants in trade agreements. trump has been very clear that he is no longer satisfied with the status quo that unfairly benefited the economies of other countries and not America's economy. for trudeau to go on tv rather than tell trump to his face what he was really thinking made trump angry. is anyone surprised by trump's retaliatory reaction to trudeau's end run?

the jury is still out if trump's antagonistic negotiating tactics will provide positive results for American trade, but dismissing his approach out of hand is pure partisanship. after all, trump's aggressive approach resulted in several countries ponying up more funds towards NATO defense spending.
Since you want to keep pushing the "trade deficits are bad" theory, well we have a trade surplus with Canada. That would make Trumps rants sound like the drunk old crazy guy at the end of the bar.

The other part of a trade war people are not mentioning is Trump will need the backing of Congress unless one considers milk of extreme importance to national security.
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Old 06-10-2018, 06:12 AM
 
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Trump is working half of that "Keep your friends close, and your enemies closer" business.

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Old 06-10-2018, 06:14 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Watching our President on the Canadian TV I really had to say how adept, smart and accomplished he has become in one year. He is on our side, he is going to make America strong and a true advocate for peace.

So exciting.

Now to all the people who will cite labels, stories or other echo chamber statements please join us and grow into what is going on. The slights and the small minded criticism are relegating you to failures and to history....

So go on....take the risk to listen to what he is doing....for US. If you cannot or won't please know that the
the rest of the USA are leaving....and enjoying success.

We are winning with him in the head of state.
Such naive worship is hard to watch.

Trump telling F-U to our most loyal allies isn't helping us, it is hurting us.
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Old 06-10-2018, 06:16 AM
 
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Of course he would say that. He is hiding behind 270% Canadian tariffs. And all you who have just discovered how awful tariffs are, why aren't you speaking against Canadian tariffs? Stand up for your country for once.
We can do that without being a jerk. He's been spoiled his entire life and doesn't know how to be a decent person.
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Old 06-10-2018, 06:17 AM
 
Location: Austin
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Since you want to keep pushing the "trade deficits are bad" theory, well we have a trade surplus with Canada. That would make Trumps rants sound like the drunk old crazy guy at the end of the bar.

The other part of a trade war people are not mentioning is Trump will need the backing of Congress unless one considers milk of extreme importance to national security.
where did you get the bolded in quotes? that phrase wasn't anywhere in my post. but since you mentioned the trade deficit with canada:

According to the U.S. Census Bureau, the United States had a USD17.58 billion trade deficit with Canada in 2017, an increase of USD7 billion from 2016. However, this figure only measures trade in goods, tangible products from cars to Hostess cookies.

When measuring trade in both goods and services, the United States had a trade surplus of USD2.8 billion in 2017 according to U.S. Department of Commerce data. In other words, the U.S. surplus in services—things like education services, foreign students at U.S. universities, or financial services provided by U.S.-based firms—more than compensated for the U.S. deficit in goods trade.

Statistics Canada, however, states that the United States does in fact have a trade deficit with Canada, with their numbers reporting that Canada has a surplus of over CD18 billion (USD13.746 billion).


https://www.csis.org/analysis/do-we-...surplus-canada
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