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Old 06-13-2018, 07:17 AM
 
Location: crafton pa
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Originally Posted by evilcart View Post
in what way.

Maybe you are not aware, but Trump cannot pardon everyone, anywhere at anytime.

now that you know that, i want you to think about WHY Mueller might have made sure charges were brought in various districts and against people in various locations....

hang on clearly you are not going to look that up so...

Mueller is simply making sure that Trump can't end the investigations by firing him or by pardoning everyone or by doing both.

Mueller is doing a great job and the when polled the public want Mueller to continue.
Incorrect. The Constitution grants to the POTUS the absolute right to issue pardons for Federal crimes. Precedent has been set (Ford pardoning Nixon) that the person receiving the pardon need not have been formally charged prior to receiving the pardon. Precedent has also been set (Carter's pardoning the Vietnam draft dodgers) that a blanket pardon can be issued to an entire class of people, and not just individually. There is absolutely nothing that legally stops Trump from issuing a pardon to "anyone and everyone involved with any tampering in the 2016 election or anyone involved with the investigation into that tampering subsequent to that election." Whether such a pardon would be politically advisable is a separate question-- such a pardon likely would cost Trump any chance he might have of reelection in 2020. That's what's preventing such a pardon, not any legal prohibition.

 
Old 06-13-2018, 07:21 AM
 
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Originally Posted by MUTGR View Post
I mean come on. Don't indict what you can't prove just to justify your existence.

Even Russians get to see the "evidence" to be used against them in US courts to convict them of a crime.
Exactly right. How could a prosecutor possibly hope to convict someone without presenting the evidence against them that substantiates that they did what they have been accused of doing?

What kind of a conviction would that even be? Not one that we would allow in this country, I would hope. Not even if the prosecutor is Bob Mueller, as if he has some sort of status that would recommend him this sort of breathtakingly unconstitutional sweeping deference.
 
Old 06-13-2018, 07:24 AM
 
Location: crafton pa
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Amazing how many Russia fans exist on CD. It pretty obvious that the firm owned by Putin's cook wants to gain information, did anyone notice none of the other firms chose to challenge the indictment. There is a lot at risk to disclose all sources and information, do people love Trump so much that they would want to provide classified information to the Russians.
Not at all. I am all for the rule of law, though. In a criminal trial the defendant has the right to see the evidence that will be presented before the start of the trial so that the defendant has time to prepare a proper defense. It's called "discovery" and it is an uncontroversial and settled rule of criminal trials. If the evidence truly is that sensitive that it cannot be shared with the defendants then, unfortunately, the trial cannot proceed and the case should be dropped. If it's just Mueller grandstanding and not being prepared to provide discovery, bring an actual case, and go to trial, then too bad - provide what evidence you have and then decide whether or not to continue with the case.


The rule of law applies to EVERYONE, even foreigners charged with crimes. We don't have secret "star chamber" criminal trials in this country. Mueller is an experienced prosecutor, so he knows the rules. He knew before charging these defendants that the evidence he has against them must be presented to the defendants and that any trial will be a matter of public record. If the evidence he has against these defendants cannot be made public, then he knows that he had no case. If the evidence really is that sensitive, then why did he bring charges in the first place?
 
Old 06-13-2018, 08:29 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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The Russians couldn't be happier, what is taking place exceeded their wildest dreams .we can thank Trump supporters.
nope

you can thank the liberals that spew hate and division
 
Old 06-13-2018, 08:41 AM
 
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lol. That's funny.
You like that, do you? Why am I not surprised?
 
Old 06-13-2018, 08:42 AM
 
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You like that, do you? Why am I not surprised?
I find it sad. Condemning the spewing of hate and division by spewing hate and division.
 
Old 06-13-2018, 09:06 AM
 
Location: St Paul
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I believe the Russian's are doing this in order to aid Trump as much as they can.


But more scary than the Russians, are our fellow Americans who continue to put supporting Trumpism ahead of supporting our great nation.

For decades we seen the Republican Party and their supporters wrapping themselves in the US flag and demanding patriotism and now after decades of jingoism we see the Republicans betraying the USA just to try to keep their guy out of jail....

They are going to any and all lengths, to try to prevent Mueller from exposing the truth, they know very well Trump is up to his neck in crimes, yet they are willing to do anything to extend his time another day.

Exposing the truth is what Mueller is refusing to do. Just like the FBI in the various ongoing investigations.

When you charge someone criminally, the defendant's legal team has a right to see the evidence against them, or else how can they prepare for trial?

It's a basic premise, but one that's served people well who believe in the right to a fair trial, for almost 250 years in our country.
 
Old 06-13-2018, 09:23 AM
 
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What's funny is that you think our country is in the shape that it is...because of liberals spewing hate and division.

That, is incredibly funny. And if that's what you really believe....kinda sad.
Only someone who has their eyes closed and their ears plugged can possibly be unaware of it. The volume level of "Politically correct" hate and divisive identity politics vitriol from the Democrat left, especially in the media, is almost ear-splitting.

We have never seen anything like this during any of our lifetimes (all lies to the contrary, notwithstanding) and it is the Democrat left that brought this on during the Obama years, and have now actually managed to turn the volume up from that now during the Trump administration.
 
Old 06-13-2018, 09:51 AM
 
Location: FL
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Originally Posted by phantompilot View Post
Let's recap...zero actual evidence of russian hacking anything. That went nowhere.
Zero actual evidence of russians posting ads on FB....the only people making this claim is FB...known for being a cesspool of rabid leftists with a globalist agenda.

Zero evidence that any US person colluded with anyone else in the commission of the above allegations.

So in other words, zero basis for a special prosecutor in the first place.

BTW "collusion" is not a federal crime, at least not in the context that anyone involved in a political campaign could engage in.
Keep telling yourself that. No reason to be informed. Trump loves the poorly educated.
 
Old 06-13-2018, 12:22 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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Originally Posted by Donna-501 View Post
Keep telling yourself that. No reason to be informed. Trump loves the poorly educated.
and liberals love the brainwashed
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