Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
Last I checked, part of due process is that when you are charged with a crime, the prosecution is supposed to provide to you (or more accurately your lawyers) the evidence that he or she has gathered that led to your being indicted. It's called discovery. If proper discovery would indeed be detrimental to national security, then the proper response is not to refuse discovery, but rather to drop the criminal case. If it's not really that detrimental, then provide the evidence to the accused's lawyer or lawyers and let's get on with the trial.
If it would be detrimental to other prosecutions, well too bad; that's the breaks. Either accept the damage to your other cases or drop the case at hand. You cannot deprive an accused of their rights simply because it may make your prosecutions of other cases more difficult.
You are correct, they have a right to due process.
Mueller is trying to do everything he can to deny them their due process, and not disclose any evidence he may, or more likely, may not have.
Quote:
Originally Posted by BXAlpharetta
THIS is what the investigation is about:
If this isn't about Trump, then Mueller should just send over any questions he has for Trump so they can be answered, and then Mueller can publicly clear him.
Of course, Mueller is refusing to do that, now isn't he.
Yep, the IG report is scheduled for 3:00 release on Thursday.
What I can't accept is the idea Trump is guilty when there is absolutely no evidence to support any wrongdoing.
Nonsense you and I are not and should not be privy to what evidence exists, that is a matter for the courts.
Our job is to keep out of the way and let Mueller do his job just like we stayed out of the way and let Ken Starr spend year after year after year after year doing his job of investigating Bill Clinton.
when the time comes you will learn what evidence really exists, that time has not come yet. It took Ken 4-6 years to finish his work, let's give Mueller the same room we gave Ken.
You are correct, they have a right to due process.
Mueller is trying to do everything he can to deny them their due process, and not disclose any evidence he may, or more likely, may not have.
If this isn't about Trump, then Mueller should just send over any questions he has for Trump so they can be answered, and then Mueller can publicly clear him.
Of course, Mueller is refusing to do that, now isn't he.
Of course of course Mueller is not doing that. Why would he? He would not do that for anyone who MIGHT be involved or MIGHT have something to hide.
Mueller has no reason to cut Trump or you or me any slack at all, that is not his job.
Mueller is mandated to investigate what happened during the campaign, Trump was part of the Campaign, thus he is on the list of people who might be involved in any corruption or crime ..
face it, you just don't like your guy being at risk, even if that means Trump evades our law.
The judge will in all liklihood issue a responsible rulling here. A little bit of that Mueller will probably like, but the larger portion he very likely will not.
The procedures for handling discovery for a criminal trial are long established and rarely is it very exciting or controversial. Some parties to the case may not like it very much, as it does not favor their interests. But it is what it is.
Bob Mueller initiated this process when he indicted these people. He has been a federal prosrcutor for a very long time and cannot possibly be surprised to find that the rules of criminal procedure apply to these cases. But he is quite certainly acting as if he is.
What is becoming increasingly clear is that Mueller filed these indictments as a bluff, never expecting to take these cases to trial and not being prepared to do so should his bluff be called. Which it now apparently has been.
Again, the judge is likely to issue a plain vanilla ruling here, with whatever minor accomodations there are that can legitimately be offered within the law, and also a swift kick in Mueller's rear end, telling him that he should know how a trial works by now. Either prepare to proceed under the well established requirements of the law, or withdraw the charges.
If he withdraws the charges, he will be a laughing stock and his investigation will have officially achieved clown-car status.
I'm not sure how the judge will rule, the devil is in the details, but I'd guess Mueller is just trying to stall, hoping he can dig something up to make his case look legit.
Quote:
Originally Posted by dashrendar4454
Breaking! So far Mueller is having troUble securing a case against people who trolled Facebook. Lol
Yes, Mueller says 13 internet trolls stole the election for Trump, and he is now desperately trying to stall, and not turn evidence over, who would have thought.
Check it, and let this sink it. There is BIG difference between the two below.
1. We believe Russians interfered with the US elections. Let's investigate it to the fullest extant of the law, and yes, that includes looking into whether or not Trump either colluded, or attempts to interfere with the investigation. This doesn't mean we are accusing Trump of anything, but we are looking into everything. The investigation is NOT accusing Trump of anything.
versus
2. We believe Trump is guilty of collusion with the Russians, let's investigate to prove it.
It's not rocket science to differentiate between the two. Again, this investigation is NOT a liberal/democrat investigation. Just because trump continues to scream until he's blue in the face that it's a liberal witch hunt, doesn't make it so.
yes, you believe Russians posting some ads on Facebook swung the entire election from Hillary to Trump
As the mass media has reminded us, ad naseum, vomitus maximus, this investigation is about the Democrat left's conspiracy theory that Donald Trump conspired with the Russians to steal the election from their hand-picked, rightful ruler of the United States, Hillary Clinton.
This was made public literally the day after Hillary Clinton's surprise loss to Donald Trump in November 2016. And now people like you are starting to realize what a spectacular lie that this has been at every point in this incredibly despicable exercise, and so you are trying ineffectually to move the goalposts.
in other words... please don't throw our case out for lack of evidence...
That's my take as well as let's string this out to the election cycle so our band of 13 angry Democrats can leak salacious gossip (also known as more lies about Trump) to our media friends.
Check it, and let this sink it. There is BIG difference between the two below.
1. We believe Russians interfered with the US elections. Let's investigate it to the fullest extant of the law, and yes, that includes looking into whether or not Trump either colluded, or attempts to interfere with the investigation. This doesn't mean we are accusing Trump of anything, but we are looking into everything. The investigation is NOT accusing Trump of anything.
versus
2. We believe Trump is guilty of collusion with the Russians, let's investigate to prove it.
It's not rocket science to differentiate between the two. Again, this investigation is NOT a liberal/democrat investigation. Just because trump continues to scream until he's blue in the face that it's a liberal witch hunt, doesn't make it so.
Yes, this isn't about getting Trump, that's why mueller is desperately trying to stall, and not turn evidence over to defendants in his case against the Russians.
It's also why he refuses to just send over the questions he wants answered so Trump can answer them, and the country can move on from this absurd investigation.
But yeah, this is not a witch hunt, move along everyone, nothing to see here.
The judge will in all liklihood issue a responsible rulling here. A little bit of that Mueller will probably like, but the larger portion he very likely will not.
The procedures for handling discovery for a criminal trial are long established and rarely is it very exciting or controversial. Some parties to the case may not like it very much, as it does not favor their interests. But it is what it is.
Bob Mueller initiated this process when he indicted these people. He has been a federal prosrcutor for a very long time and cannot possibly be surprised to find that the rules of criminal procedure apply to these cases. But he is quite certainly acting as if he is.
What is becoming increasingly clear is that Mueller filed these indictments as a bluff, never expecting to take these cases to trial and not being prepared to do so should his bluff be called. Which it now apparently has been.
Again, the judge is likely to issue a plain vanilla ruling here, with whatever minor accomodations there are that can legitimately be offered within the law, and also a swift kick in Mueller's rear end, telling him that he should know how a trial works by now. Either prepare to proceed under the well established requirements of the law, or withdraw the charges.
If he withdraws the charges, he will be a laughing stock and his investigation will have officially achieved clown-car status.
Great analogy. I think for a long time, being FBI Director allowed him to get away with the dirty stuff while Justice handled the knitty gritty aspect of it. It seems he's forgotten that he's not a cop anymore here but a lawyer. This will just get funnier and funnier as his whole case load is shown to be a sham of epic proportions.
I believe the Russian's are doing this in order to aid Trump as much as they can.
But more scary than the Russians, are our fellow Americans who continue to put supporting Trumpism ahead of supporting our great nation.
For decades we seen the Republican Party and their supporters wrapping themselves in the US flag and demanding patriotism and now after decades of jingoism we see the Republicans betraying the USA just to try to keep their guy out of jail....
They are going to any and all lengths, to try to prevent Mueller from exposing the truth, they know very well Trump is up to his neck in crimes, yet they are willing to do anything to extend his time another day.
Agreed. I expected this from the Russians. I had no idea so many Republicans would be such willing useful idiots.
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.
Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
