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Old 07-10-2018, 09:03 AM
 
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Originally Posted by Indentured Servant View Post
I don't know what you have against intellect, but you seem to be avoiding it. If single households create crime and poverty, increasing rates of single homes should have a proportional increase in rates of poverty and crime....and that is not the case. This is especially true among whites.



You have put the cart before the horse in your flawed reasoning. Marriage does not create an income. An unemployed male marrying an unemployed female creates zero income, despite marriage. People who are already poor and uneducated have lower rates of marriage. Not too many women want to marry a dead beat broke guy....what would be the point of that? Hence, its not the fact that the women did not marry the dead beat broke guy that keeps her household poor, because even if she did he would contribute little or nothing to household income, while being an extra mouth to feed.



There are many successful single women.....who have children and hence despite not being married, provide well for the family and there is little dysfunction. Therefore, you are confusing coincidence with causation. The issue is how much money INDIVIDUALS are earning. Individuals make up the parts of a marriage. Marriages don't make money....INDIVIDUALS make money. Two individuals married without jobs is still zero household income.



The fact that poverty is higher among single people is because these individuals don't make a lot of money or are on public assistance or not working at all. A married man and women both making minimum wage is still poverty because the INDIVIDUALS are poor. The reason black single homes are higher is because INDIVIDUAL poverty is higher among blacks than whites. The poverty rate will always be a lot higher for blacks than whites if black INDIVIDUALS or per capita black income, is much lower than per capita white income and black per capita wealth is a lot lower than white per capita wealth. If the marriage rate for blacks was 100% and 100% for whites, black rates of poverty would still be much higher than whites because black INDIVIDUALS earn less money and have less wealth than white INDIVIDUALS.


If all the black poor men and women all of a sudden married....they would all still be poor. Its a problem at the individual level.....not at the marriage level, which you don't seem to understand. Black individuals struggle more in this society than white individuals. Successful black individuals tend to marry....but the marriage did not make them successful individuals.
Victimhood makes anybody poor.

Urban plantation.

 
Old 07-10-2018, 09:05 AM
 
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Victimhood makes anybody poor.

Urban plantation.

Victimization creates victim hoods.
 
Old 07-10-2018, 09:06 AM
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We know who gets convicted of crime and who is most likely to wind up in jail. In order to compare or figure out why, wouldn't we have to look at arrest rates, financial ability to afford lawyers, knowledge of the legal system etc? Are blacks and white who commit the same crime charged with the same offense (obviously homicide is homicide, but do black people get charged more severely for drug offenses than whites do?)?

The reasons why prisons are filled with black people may not be as simple as 'blacks are predisposed to commit crime'.
Now, now, you are making way too much sense for this thread. Folks don't like to think about the journey to this point. It's all about the here and the now.
 
Old 07-10-2018, 09:11 AM
 
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We know who gets convicted of crime and who is most likely to wind up in jail. In order to compare or figure out why, wouldn't we have to look at arrest rates, financial ability to afford lawyers, knowledge of the legal system etc? Are blacks and white who commit the same crime charged with the same offense (obviously homicide is homicide, but do black people get charged more severely for drug offenses than whites do?)?

The reasons why prisons are filled with black people may not be as simple as 'blacks are predisposed to commit crime'.
May not be entirely that simple but it's going to be one of the bigger factors.
 
Old 07-10-2018, 09:17 AM
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It's not the culture that blacks arrived in America with.....so who broke it?
It's very tragic that the black community can't move beyond the slave times of several generations back. It's not as if slavery was abolished only ten years ago.

We are all homo sapiens. The thinking ape. And if blacks are not able to think this out and move forward, what does that say about them?

1. I go by the philosophy that living well is the best revenge. And if I were a black person, I would push to excel in life, despite my ancestors' past.

2. I am Chinese American. I consider myself a plain average American and I don't put my Chinese heritage on some sort of pedestal. What I prefer to do is study other cultures and... take the best parts from them and throw away the icky parts. So I do get criticized by my ex-father frequently for having a lack of pride in my Chinese heritage. However, the traditional Chinese culture is very sexist, and I hate that they built the Three Gorges Dam and caused their rare freshwater dolphins to go extinct. I hate that Chinese men practice folk medicine and use rhinoceros horn powder in an effort to increase their libido (use Viagra instead!!!), and collect other animal body parts and fluids too. However, I do like Chinese frugality and their social system of honouring their elders and appreciating academic achievement.

3. My husband and I don't like the way his dad (he's an abusive alcoholic) and my mom (she gets emotional and crazy) behave after they drink alcohol. So we CONSCIOUSLY are very moderate in our own drinking habits.

I always think before I act. I also use my memory and think about our collective past in order to NOT repeat mistakes.

So what excuse does the black community have for not marrying the mothers of their children? Or why they have a problem with teenage pregnancies and making so many baby mommas?

And isn't it the definition of insanity to repeat the same action and expect a different or better result???
 
Old 07-10-2018, 09:24 AM
 
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It's very tragic that the black community can't move beyond the slave times of several generations back. It's not as if slavery was abolished only ten years ago.

We are all homo sapiens. The thinking ape. And if blacks are not able to think this out and move forward, what does that say about them?

1. I go by the philosophy that living well is the best revenge. And if I were a black person, I would push to excel in life, despite my ancestors' past.

2. I am Chinese American. I consider myself a plain average American and I don't put my Chinese heritage on some sort of pedestal. What I prefer to do is study other cultures and... take the best parts from them and throw away the icky parts. So I do get criticized by my ex-father frequently for having a lack of pride in my Chinese heritage. However, the traditional Chinese culture is very sexist, and I hate that they built the Three Gorges Dam and caused their rare freshwater dolphins to go extinct. I hate that Chinese men practice folk medicine and use rhinoceros horn powder in an effort to increase their libido (use Viagra instead!!!), and collect other animal body parts and fluids too. However, I do like Chinese frugality and their social system of honouring their elders and appreciating academic achievement.

3. My husband and I don't like the way his dad (he's an abusive alcoholic) and my mom (she gets emotional and crazy) behave after they drink alcohol. So we CONSCIOUSLY are very moderate in our own drinking habits.

I always think before I act. I also use my memory and think about our collective past in order to NOT repeat mistakes.

So what excuse does the black community have for not marrying the mothers of their children? Or why they have a problem with teenage pregnancies and making so many baby mommas?

And isn't it the definition of insanity to repeat the same action and expect a different or better result???

It might be tragic, but I dare say it is the human norm for such an experience. No race of people, who experienced that in the time and space that blacks did would be in a better...or worse situation than blacks are today. To think or believe otherwise make one a "Racist".
 
Old 07-10-2018, 09:26 AM
miu
 
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It's not the culture that blacks arrived in America with.....so who broke it?
And... I don't see how had the blacks not been taken from the African continent as slaves... their descendants' lives would be any better now.

The blacks back then in Africa were still living in the Stone Age and without a written language. They lived a nomadic lifestyle and without permanent buildings or land deeds.

So perhaps, not that much of their culture was broken as their previous culture in the African continent had nothing in common with European cultures and standards of America. They never had generations of the mindset and cultures that American culture is built on.

Even today, there is still slavery and genocide going on in Africa. And in case you forgot, it was the dominant black tribes selling off members of opposing weaker tribes to the European slave traders.
 
Old 07-10-2018, 09:29 AM
 
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And... I don't see how had the blacks not been taken from the African continent as slaves... their descendants' lives would be any better now.

The blacks back then in Africa were still living in the Stone Age and without a written language. They lived a nomadic lifestyle and without permanent buildings or land deeds.

So perhaps, not that much of their culture was broken as their previous culture in the African continent had nothing in common with European cultures and standards of America. They never had generations of the mindset and cultures that American culture is built on.

Even today, there is still slavery and genocide going on in Africa. And in case you forgot, it was the dominant black tribes selling off members of opposing weaker tribes to the European slave traders.

Never know what the butterfly effect would have produced. What we DO know, however, is what DID happen. Once could question what America would have become if not for the African Slave.
 
Old 07-10-2018, 09:32 AM
miu
 
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It might be tragic, but I dare say it is the human norm for such an experience. No race of people, who experienced that in the time and space that blacks did would be in a better...or worse situation than blacks are today. To think or believe otherwise make one a "Racist".
The Chinese were demeaned and looked down upon when they first came to America. They couldn't even bring over their wives. And they were paid very minimal wages while they toiled doing the dangerous work on the Trans Continental Railroad.

And long does the black community need in order to recover from their slave times of the past? Another hundred years? And while they sit and sulk, the rest of America is surging past them, including recent immigrants

Honestly, what I see in regards to the situation with unwed mothers, the men are too caught up in their macho culture. They would rather be players than responsible family men. And this doesn't hurt the white community, but instead it hurts their womenfolk and their children. So stop being players and trying to stick your penis in as many women as you can, and grow up!!
 
Old 07-10-2018, 09:34 AM
 
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The Chinese were demeaned and looked down upon when they first came to America. They couldn't even bring over their wives. And they were paid very minimal wages while they toiled doing the dangerous work on the Trans Continental Railroad.

And long does the black community need in order to recover from their slave times of the past? Another hundred years? And while they sit and sulk, the rest of America is surging past them, including recent immigrants

Honestly, what I see in regards to the situation with unwed mothers, the men are too caught up in their macho culture. They would rather be players than responsible family men. And this doesn't hurt the white community, but instead it hurts their womenfolk and their children. So stop being players and trying to stick your penis in as many women as you can, and grow up!!

and probably 5% of the Chinese Americans today are descended from those brought over. That in no way parallels the condition of African Americans.


Keep reaching in your "black inferiority" grab bag of suggestions.
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