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Old 08-28-2018, 12:39 PM
 
Location: Federal Way, WA
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But these kneeling jack asses aren’t saying anything. They’re just acting silly. If they truly want to have an effect they should go out into their own communities and put their money where their mouth is. Or maybe they should put their money where their knee is.
Colin Kapernick has donated over $1million to charities and raised a lot more than that. He has volunteered consistently, performing community service to help people in need. He took the time to find struggling grass roots charities to donate to, including one for children with heart defects, single mothers trying to to get on their feet, and many others.

But you wouldn't know that because president jack ass is too busy mouthing off that his feelings are hurt because occasionally 1-5 people on the field aren't standing up to salute the flag that Trump doesn't even know the colors of, during the anthem that Trump doesn't even know the words to.

I could care less if someone takes a knee pregame during the anthem. Half the people in the stands are getting hot dogs, picking their nose, or standing with a blank stare waiting for the game to start. Trump and the members of his circus could care less about that. As usual, they just need something trivial to get outraged about and demand everyone else be as outraged as they are, then get more outraged that everyone isn't as outraged as them.
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Old 08-28-2018, 12:41 PM
 
Location: Posting from my space yacht.
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You lost me...

I don't expect anyone to watch what they don't want to! Like me, I'm there to watch the game. I don't have to watch the pre-game show anymore than I have to watch the commercials! Anymore than you have to read or reply to these comments!

No doubt I don't understand your reply, but yours and a few others have reminded me what a waste of time and key strokes this forum tends to be, "irrelevant" is right! Reminding me yet again the time has definitely come for me to do something productive, so until maybe tomorrow...

Here's to another day of enjoying all the freedoms our American flag represents, including that of protest!
I try to keep my posts concise for a reason.
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Old 08-28-2018, 12:41 PM
 
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I once owned a business. There was no real dress code, but of course there was an understood expectation along those lines. Fortunately no one came to work wearing anything I had to concern myself with or do anything about, but I think it's a bit of a mistake to compare the taking of a knee for the reason(s) done to some of these work examples.

If, for example, one of my employees chose to raise his hand and interrupt me in a meeting to point out some wrong-doing by the company, my response would not be that doing so is not allowed, or not appropriate.

Something else that bothers me as someone who is proud to be an American and proud of what the American flag MEANS TO ME, is the notion that people are saluting (or not), standing (or not) because of rules rather than the freedom to do as we wish as long as we're not hurting others. I'd rather know people are doing what they are doing because of how they feel, not because of what they are required to do, like in so many other countries where people don't enjoy those sorts of freedoms. MUST praise their leader, MUST salute their flag, no matter what the Hell their leader or government is doing to them!

The taking of a knee is about the most passive peaceful way to express "heartburn" anyone can consider, and it is NOT AN INSULT! Surely doesn't bother me any and doesn't change the entertainment to follow that we all came to enjoy! No more than it bothers me that someone in the stands is doing as they choose as well when it comes to the flag and/or the national anthem.

I for one would rather know the guy standing next to me is standing and singing the national anthem along with me because he WANTS to, not because he is FORCED to, and if he isn't for his own personal reasons, that's his right! Not an "insult!" A right! A freedom! Which is more about what the American flag represents to me!
Yes, wrong doing by the company, meaning its BUSINESS related. How is protesting police activity "business related" for the NFL?

I'm not debating that taking a knee isn't peaceful and appropriate in other settings because by doing so you are hurting someone elses business that you are directly profiting from, ie your employer.
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Old 08-28-2018, 12:45 PM
 
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Colin Kapernick has donated over $1million to charities and raised a lot more than that. He has volunteered consistently, performing community service to help people in need. He took the time to find struggling grass roots charities to donate to, including one for children with heart defects, single mothers trying to to get on their feet, and many others.

But you wouldn't know that because president jack ass is too busy mouthing off that his feelings are hurt because occasionally 1-5 people on the field aren't standing up to salute the flag that Trump doesn't even know the colors of, during the anthem that Trump doesn't even know the words to.

I could care less if someone takes a knee pregame during the anthem. Half the people in the stands are getting hot dogs, picking their nose, or standing with a blank stare waiting for the game to start. Trump and the members of his circus could care less about that. As usual, they just need something trivial to get outraged about and demand everyone else be as outraged as they are, then get more outraged that everyone isn't as outraged as them.





yeah this is from the same A-HOLE that bashed our country and called all cops pigs and praised Fidel Castro and Che and their system of dictatorship.






if you want to praise kap and ride his nuts go ahead.....he is no hero and he put this on himself.
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Old 08-28-2018, 12:48 PM
 
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When there were riots in Ferguson Mo. were there not a lot of people saying protest is fine but they should do it peacefully?
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Old 08-28-2018, 12:49 PM
 
Location: DFW
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I don't watch sports to be lectured about Politics or Civil Rights. If they start that, that's when the TV goes off.

Apparently I'm not alone.
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Old 08-28-2018, 12:51 PM
 
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How is protesting something you view in need of attention and correction an insult? Help me understand what is insulting? What is something of an insult is the notion that if/when people feel there is wrong-doing that needs such attention and correction, only your approved manner to do so is allowed. This isn't North Korea buddy!

Same with this "shoving" of point of view. Who is doing any "shoving?" I'm sharing an opinion, perspective perhaps different from yours, to consider. You've even got heartburn about that?!?

Not that I don't expect plenty of that sort of thing in this forum. What's new? You and your kind are not the sort I have in mind when I think something like this -- worth considering -- is going to be valued or appreciated in any way, or even read for that matter. I know the kind well, and you are simply not someone I expect to do other than as you do, comment as you do.

Fortunately we ALL live in a free country and we are ALL pretty much FREE to voice our opinion, even if offensive to others, even the POTUS. Even though you are rather offensive to me, even insulting, I'll be the last person to argue you shouldn't have the opportunity to express yourself, speak your mind and do as you feel you must in the name of promoting right over wrong.

What is far more difficult to do, however, is appreciate or accept your inability to consider another point of view that again -- is NOT about insulting anyone. Still, it remains a free country, and there is no law against being stubborn and closed minded about anything. Nothing this forum doesn't prove better than this simple truth!





because KAP is ignorant....the facts doesn't back up his claims and then he praises Fidel Castro, a known dictator murderer and bashes our country? That doesn't help his cause.





There are approx 2,000 police shootings a year in the USA against all races and ethnicities in a population of 360,000,000 legal citizens not including undocumented people. That is 0.000006% of the population shot justly or unjustly by police. This issue has really been blown out of proportion. Yea there are bad cops out there but this issue has been used for political reasons and ignorant people that just hates the U.S.A.





freedom of speech is a 2 way street, you can say what you like and we can reject what you have to say and NFL owners can cut loose toxic players that are bad for the business.......life will go on, the sun will rise in the morning and the earth will keep rotating around the sun........move on!
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Old 08-28-2018, 12:53 PM
 
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I don't need to read or understand anything. I'm perfectly clear on the subject. I don't know a single person that is allowed to protest on the job period. End of story.
That's a fact -- try it and you are likely to get fired, unless you have a powerful Union backing your up and possibly even then.

This is what I think is a HOOT! Where do these Leftists get these weird ideas?

"Sports is one of the few areas in which Americans of all races can talk to each other. Right now, it may be the country’s best hope for meaningful dialogue"

"few areas" -- I talk to "all races" several times a week. Pretty much anytime I'm out of my house. My neighbor on my North side is Black, he and I talk to each other all the time. I go to sporting events, school events, the grocery store, Walmart, Target and civic meetings -- I "dialogue" with Hispanics, Blacks, Arabs, Asians in all these venues.

Leftists are out of touch with Normal People in the USA.
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Old 08-28-2018, 12:54 PM
 
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No doubt this is an issue that also seriously divides America, with Trump in the mix in typical embarrassing fashion, and no doubt there have been more than a few prior threads about this as a result, but rather than let this get buried in one of those many prior threads, I think Kareem's recent insights about all this sports protest business are particularly worthy of consideration...

"Sports is one of the few areas in which Americans of all races can talk to each other. Right now, it may be the country’s best hope for meaningful dialogue"

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/20...ter-in-america

If only Trump and more Americans would/could consider what they are so badly missing. Purposely or unwittingly, I'm really not sure...



The NFL's demise isn't the fault of Trump nor the Fans.
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Old 08-28-2018, 12:57 PM
 
Location: Dangling from a mooses antlers
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No doubt this is an issue that also seriously divides America, with Trump in the mix in typical embarrassing fashion, and no doubt there have been more than a few prior threads about this as a result, but rather than let this get buried in one of those many prior threads, I think Kareem's recent insights about all this sports protest business are particularly worthy of consideration...

"Sports is one of the few areas in which Americans of all races can talk to each other. Right now, it may be the country’s best hope for meaningful dialogue"

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/20...ter-in-america

If only Trump and more Americans would/could consider what they are so badly missing. Purposely or unwittingly, I'm really not sure...

Who sits around and talks about professional sports? Who sits around and relishes in the thought about cheering on millionaire ball dribblers? No one! We got life to live and things to do. i don't sit around and worship millionaire jock straps nor do I care about their opinions.
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