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Conservatives, are you in favor of overturning Roe V. Wade and Same-Sex Marriage?
I am really concerned that our country is going in the wrong direction. Can you imagine how many lives will be destroyed if such things were to be overturned?
How is you that you don't understand conservatism, federalism and how court cases work?
If Roe v Wade were reversed tomorrow, abortion doesn't become illegal. The right to decide returns to the state. Most states have laws that make abortion legal. Some states have waiting periods, other requirements, etc. That is how the system is supposed to work.
Roe v Wade is one of the worst decisions ever and I really don't care about abortion one way or the other that much. The block upon which Roe was built was Griswold v Connecticut. The Griswold case was about CT banning contraceptives. The SCOTUS ruled that CT could not by twisting and stretching the Constitution beyond all recognition.
Justice Potter Stewart eviscerated the majority's opinion in his dissent. You should read the full dissent.
"Since 1879, Connecticut has had on its books a law which forbids the use of contraceptives by anyone. I think this is an uncommonly silly law. As a practical matter, the law is obviously unenforceable, except in the oblique context of the present case. As a philosophical matter, I believe the use of contraceptives in the relationship of marriage should be left to personal and private choice, based upon each individual's moral, ethical, and religious beliefs. As a matter of social policy, I think professional counsel about methods of birth control should be available to all, so that each individual's choice can be meaningfully made. But we are not asked in this case to say whether we think this law is unwise, or even asinine. We are asked to hold that it violates the United States Constitution. And that I cannot do."
And
"It is the essence of judicial [p531] duty to subordinate our own personal views, our own ideas of what legislation is wise and what is not. If, as I should surely hope, the law before us does not reflect he standards of the people of Connecticut, the people of Connecticut can freely exercise their true Ninth and Tenth Amendment rights to persuade their elected representatives to repeal it. That is the constitutional way to take this law off the books. [n8]"
This is how the SCOTUS functioned before the activist Warren Court; that time and again substituted their views for those of the people's elected representatives.
The selection of judges like Kavanaugh and Gorsuch gives one we can return to those days before the Warren Court.
Wonder how many lives would be saved if they overturned Roe v. Wade?
Very few would be saved since we would go to back alley abortions again where the mother dies as well. Is this what your goal is by wanting roe v wade overturned. There will always be abortions. We’ve just made it safer
one more thing, in order to overturn a previous courts ruling on an issue, a similar issue needs to come before the court. thus a same sex marriage case, or an abortion case that is tied to a right to privacy, must come before the court. and since in both cases the court has already ruled, chances are that such a case will not come before the court without compelling reason.
Exactly! Neither ruling will be overturned, especially same sex marriage. That’s here to stay and I’m glad.
How is you that you don't understand conservatism, federalism and how court cases work?
If Roe v Wade were reversed tomorrow, abortion doesn't become illegal. The right to decide returns to the state. Most states have laws that make abortion legal. Some states have waiting periods, other requirements, etc. That is how the system is supposed to work.
Completely not true. Most that have declared actually have laws that will make abortion illegal if Roe V. Wade is overturned, several are undeclared.
9 States have laws that will protect abortion should Roe V. Wade be overturned.
California, Connecticut, Delaware, Hawaii, Maine, Maryland, Nevada, Oregon, Washington
9 States would return to pre-Roe V. Wade abortion ban
Alabama, Arizona, Arkansas, Michigan, Mississippi, New Mexico, Oklahoma, West Virginia, Wisconsin
7 States would enforce the maximum limitation on abortion afforded them by law
Arkansas (already banned), Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Missouri, North Dakota, Ohio
4 States have said if Roe V. Wade is overturned, they will ban abortion
Louisiana, Mississippi, North Dakota (already banned), South Dakota
Iowa and North Dakota ban abortion after six weeks but North Dakota already has a maximum limitation
So really it's only nine states where abortion would be protected, though I think states like New York and possibly Colorado would pass legalization.
The states that would make it illegal are exactly the states one would expect and they aren't exactly hotbeds of corporate activity anyway.
I am really concerned that our country is going in the wrong direction. Can you imagine how many lives will be destroyed if such things were to be overturned?
I'm a liberal, not a conservative. Anyway, though, I strongly don't want to see Obergefell get overturned but am more ambivalent about Roe. On one hand, I lean in support of legalized abortion. On the other hand, though, I can certainly understand why exactly one would feel differently about this and am thus more squeamish about leaving this issue to nine unelected judges.
As a gay man married to another man, I can comment on half of this. I think abortion is a travesty and I would love to see it cease altogether. But, that isn't going to happen, so I have to hope we can at least hope that we can shame people from not having an abortion and not encourage the practice as Democrats do.
I accept the viewpoint that abortion is murder for those very few people that are consistent with it and carry it through to the nuttiest extreme.
If abortion is murder, and a fetus is a life like any other, then it must be treated as such. You must support full prosecution of the would be mother and the doctor, this includes capital punishment in those states. You also must support the closing of fertility clinics or charges for those that work there if the embryos expire. You must support charges for the woman if they expire as well, they are her embryos and every single one must be carried to term. You must support the investigation of miscarriages for murder or manslaughter if the woman caused the miscarriage through negligence. If you don't support these things then you don't think it is a life like any other, because this is what we do when people are killed. If someone signs on to all of that, I will accept their argument that it is a life, if they don't, then it is obvious that they don't believe it is a life like any other and I don't care about their claim that it is murder.
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