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Sure. I used to be married to an Hispanic woman who had a ton of friends from Cuba. I never heard one of them touting Cuba, other than it is a pretty countryside. Each of them found a way to get out and each of them was glad to have gotten out.
So... next. Could you tell us how wonderful Venezuela is? Next, let's hear about a REALLY nice place like Somalia or North Korea.
Sure. I used to be married to an Hispanic woman who had a ton of friends from Cuba. I never heard one of them touting Cuba, other than it is a pretty countryside. Each of them found a way to get out and each of them was glad to have gotten out.
So... next. Could you tell us how wonderful Venezuela is? Next, let's hear about a REALLY nice place like Somalia or North Korea.
Being sanctioned out of the global supply chain leads to poverty.
People escape Somalia, Honduras, Colombia, Libya, Egypt, Serbia, Brazil, etc. all with capitalist economies.
I guess that means supporting capitalism must be outrageous too.
Being sanctioned out of the global supply chain leads to poverty.
People escape Somalia, Honduras, Colombia, Libya, Egypt, Serbia, Brazil, etc. all with capitalist economies.
I guess that means supporting capitalism must be outrageous too.
I don't support capitalism.
I support individual liberty, which allows you as a citizen to choose your social model. If you like capitalism, be a capitalist. If you like collectivism, round up a bunch of friends and like-minded people, and form a coop--be as socialist as your heart desires. Or... be anything in between.
The only requirement in a system espousing individual liberty is that all social constructs be voluntary. Individual liberty is a system of voluntaryism.
But you guys do not want that. And the reason you don't want it is not because it stops you from engaging in the social system that you supposedly prefer (it doesn't), but because it does not allow you to FORCE the system you supposedly prefer upon everyone else. It's all about power for you guys.
The bottom line is that you can be a "socialist"--it's called a coop (co-op) if it isn't coerced by a government--anytime you choose. Have at it. Go for it. I wish you happiness and luck. It's been done many times over the course of history. But like I said, you won't. And you won't because your motivations are not what you profess them to be. You don't want to "save the world," you want to enslave it with your idea of Utopia--collective authoritarianism, with no way out besides death.
Being sanctioned out of the global supply chain leads to poverty.
Siding with America's bitter enemy in the middle of the cold war has consequences when you are just a few miles from our shores. Not to mention stealing the American industries that were located there.
However its a fallacy that Cuba is blocked from trading.
America is Cuba's 5th biggest trading partner and biggest supplier of food. That has been in place since 2001. Cuba is in the WTO since 1995. They trade with whomever they want. Its their horrible political and economic system that keeps them poor.
Siding with America's bitter enemy in the middle of the cold war has consequences when you are just a few miles from our shores. Not to mention stealing the American industries that were located there.
However its a fallacy that Cuba is blocked from trading.
America is Cuba's 5th biggest trading partner and biggest supplier of food. That has been in place since 2001. Cuba is in the WTO since 1995. They trade with whomever they want. Its their horrible political and economic system that keeps them poor.
Nope, Cuba has been left out of the global supply because of sanctions and their national instead of private model.
Also the production in Cuba has always been Cuban, no matter who had a piece of paper claiming it is theirs.
Nope, socialism is workers controlling the means of production.
nope socialism is total government control... where as communism is workers being slaves to the commune masters
not the needs of the individual , not the wants/desires of the individual, not the success of the individual...ie slavery to the commune and its 'leadership'.. yes leadership... there will ALWAYS be some sort of leadership, always be the one charismatic or voicetress person to lead the MOB
no longer will individuals be able to do their desires of painting or whatnot, nope, you are enslaved to the needs of the masses
under Marxism(communism) there is no longer the thing called money, your needs are based on the communes needs, your labor is based on the communes needs, you are GRANTED your basic needs and nothing else..... yep a good thing of, no more failures...but on the same hand no more successes, no more doing your desired profession/work, now your labor all for the needs of the commune and its leadership, who do thrive much more than the common man/woman......
socialism is where the government owns everything and all means of production...and anytime you have an allpowerful government it can and will lead to a authoritarian/dictator
where people (the community or commune) own the means.... that is Marxism aka communism
Marxism (communism) there is no money, you work for the commune who dictates what you do, when you do, how much you do, for no pay other than your NEEDS
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From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs...Karl Marx
at a young age you will be dictated of what your job will be (with todays tech, most likely based on genetics)..... even if its NOT WHAT YOU WANT to do
Marxism is slavery
the needs of the commune...not the needs of the individual , not the wants/desires of the individual, not the success of the individual...ie slavery to the commune and its 'leadership'.. yes leadership... there will ALWAYS be some sort of leadership, always be the one charismatic or voicetress person to lead the MOB
no longer will individuals be able to do their desires of painting or whatnot, nope, you are enslaved to the needs of the masses
to say that Marxism wont have an authoritarian or singular leaders...is a lie of a wackjobs (marx) failed theories
Somalia, is socialist warlords who control the people, what they produce, they tax them very high
Somalia is a liberal utopia...extremely strict 'government' run by liberal warlords, with high taxes charged by the warlords and alqueda
Somalia has no official government..just warlords(kinda like liberal big government)...and ZERO FREEMARKET...try again
hmmm Somalia a liberals dream...extremely poor, run by warlords and extreme taxes..(.to the level of what you see in the story Robin Hood)....
actually it has had many governments...mostly BIG government, or better said totalitarian
prior to 1960 Somalia was a British and Italian territory's (know as British Somaliland and Italian Somaliland)
from 1960 to 1991 was known as Somaliland or the Somali republic...and had a quazi Parliamentary style government that has little oversight of the executive branch that rules with a iron first...until
1991 civil war..since then the country has been divided and RULED with the governments of WARLORDS....
in 2004 In 2004, a transitional federal government was formed which didnt do much and has been opposed by neighboring countries , currently it is warlords under sharia law, rules by the islamic union, and the alqaeda affiliate Al-Shabaab
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The once-ragtag al Qaeda affiliate has grown into an economic powerhouse, raising tens of millions of dollars in cash from schemes that have involved extortion, illegal taxation and other "fees," according to the 2011 United Nations report.
The United States believed then that the group was coordinating with al Qaeda groups in Yemen and might have been plotting attacks in the region and abroad.
In 2011, it was generating "between $70 million and $100 million per year, from duties and fees levied at airports and seaports, taxes on goods and services, taxes in kind on domestic produce, 'jihad contributions,' checkpoints and various forms of extortion justified in terms of religious obligation," according to the report from the U.N. Monitoring Group on Somalia and Eritrea.
Somalia viewed as the most dangerous country in the world...kinda like Chicago
Nope, Cuba has been left out of the global supply because of sanctions and their national instead of private model.
That is a fallacy you fell for apparently. Cuba is the 80th most populous country and the 110th largest importer in the world. Out of about 240 countries. Their biggest issue has been losing the previous support from their sugar daddy the Soviet Union. If they want to trade with us and have the sanctions lifted they know what they have to do. But a democratically elected government would mean regime change. So the people suffer because their leaders want to stay in charge.
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Also the production in Cuba has always been Cuban, no matter who had a piece of paper claiming it is theirs.
That production would not have existed without American expertise and capital. They stole it.
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