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You might want to explain that to the guy who's about to get executed, in post 172.
Sounds like the only type of freedom, is someone else's definition of freedom.
Oh, no doubt the central government has abused its powers before (so does ours), but that doesn’t change the democratic model of their political structure.
Oh, no doubt the central government has abused its powers before (so does ours), but that doesn’t change the democratic model of their political structure.
The Cuban Model of local democracy, is just bread and circuses, and doesn't allow real change -if it did, I doubt Cuba would be what it is now.
There is much more freedom where I am, to live by one's economic/political beliefs, and no execution required.
The Cuban Model of local democracy, is just bread and circuses, and doesn't allow real change -if it did, I doubt Cuba would be what it is now.
There is much more freedom where I am, to live by one's economic/political beliefs, and no execution required.
1. There is, but when most of the capital means to benefit your living are deprived from you due to a sanction regime that keeps Cuba away from the global supply chain, poverty will rule. That being said Cubans do see the benefit of their grassroots democracy
2. Controlling capital via legal documentation isn’t freedom, it’s authoritarianism.
The government and political structure are different things, I’m praising their grassroots styled direct democracy.
But there is only one political party. It is hard to tell what Cubans really want when they are not given a choice. People are there because they have no choice. All we know is when given a chance they get the heck off the island.
You should read the story of Yasiel Puig. Any country that forbids people from leaving is really running a jail not a country.
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Oh, no doubt the central government has abused its powers before (so does ours), but that doesn’t change the democratic model of their political structure.
Denial is NOT a river in Africa, but, baby, you're in it.
1. There is, but when most of the capital means to benefit your living are deprived from you due to a sanction regime that keeps Cuba away from the global supply chain, poverty will rule. That being said Cubans do see the benefit of their grassroots democracy
2. Controlling capital via legal documentation isn’t freedom, it’s authoritarianism.
I doubt Cubans would stick with their current system if they had the choice -compettion is just as much a part of human nature, as cooperation - your system seeks to restrict that, but people will be people, if they get the chance.
Controlling capital via legal documentation, is property, and property is freedom.
I doubt Cubans would stick with their current system if they had the choice -compettion is just as much a part of human nature, as cooperation - your system seeks to restrict that, but people will be people, if they get the chance.
Controlling capital via legal documentation, is property, and property is freedom.
1. Cubans could reform their central government, stop foreign interference in trade, and develop their economy, but they would retain their direct grassroots municipal democracy that is so beneficial to freedom.
Private property detracts from freedom, for it is different from personal property.
But there is only one political party. It is hard to tell what Cubans really want when they are not given a choice. People are there because they have no choice. All we know is when given a chance they get the heck off the island.
You should read the story of Yasiel Puig. Any country that forbids people from leaving is really running a jail not a country.
A country isolated by sanctions tend to be poor. There are other elements to their society besides the central state and poverty.
Grassroots municipal democracy is a real thing there.
It reminds me of my parents in China. They worked for a state-owned institute. Housing was free (we had a two-bedroom apartment when I was a kid), healthcare was free, and education was free. Nobody in our social circle was rich, but nobody struggled either.
However that was in the city. Farmers struggled a lot.
Propaganda? I lived in Miami. MANY Cubans who left will tell you the horrors of living there. It's so great, that people risk their fricken lives on tires and plywood, floating around in shark infested waters, not knowing if they'll make it or not, to get away from there. Yeah, what a slogan for the country.
In any society, there are some marginalized/failed individuals. They may succeed somewhere else and then blame the environment they lived in.
Personally I know some Chinese illegal immigrants. Their life in China was not too bad, but it was just a "tradition" of their village to sneak in America and make some quick cash. After they came here, however, they attack China government in all ways to justify their choice and then obtain a green card as a refugee. For those who have no college degree and do not want to fake a marriage, refugee is pretty much the only way.
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