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Not quite sure what all the focus on the father is about - outside, that is his decision to bring his daughter with him. And on the form. It is CNN that is trying to make it look (unfairly, my take) that the girl became noticeably ill at Antelope Wells before boarding the bus with the agents then not seeking medical attention for her.
If you call foul there, then it is certainly likely that she really did start vomiting once on the bus - AFTER the father signed off on the bloody form. Her hydration status was already compromised - even if she had been drinking at Antelope Wells, which certainly appears likely. Vomiting brought about extreme dehydration and shock. Further medical tests will be more specific.
The agents checked off that to their eyes she did not appear compromised. Sure that was not a comprehensive exam nor is the father a doctor and what child would be chipper after the last several days. Kids are simply more fragile than adults, plain and simple.
Forget the form. That's only a piece of paper. The issue is that a child is dead. Sure, her father dragged her into the desert but no reasonable person would blame that on the child.
The only real question here is how likely it is that this situation could reoccur and whether we as a nation want to take steps to prevent that since larger numbers of children are arriving to stations with minimal facilities like Antelope Wells. Or whether will we tolerate a certain number of similar deaths.
Focusing on the father is a way of sidestepping that question.
Exactly.
The real question is how likely is it that this situation will happen again and whether we want to take steps to prevent that.
Or are we fine with blaming the father for not doing a more responsible job of parenting? Let the chips fall where they may.
Cool, so you agree that the father drug this 7 year old girl hundreds of miles, and for the last few days of their trek, the father did not feed her or give her water. And because the father did not give her water or food for several days, it's the fault of the BP is why she died?
Not quite sure what all the focus on the father is about - outside, that is his decision to bring his daughter with him. And on the form. It is CNN that is trying to make it look (unfairly, my take) that the girl became noticeably ill at Antelope Wells before boarding the bus with the agents then not seeking medical attention for her.
If you call foul there, then it is certainly likely that she really did start vomiting once on the bus - AFTER the father signed off on the bloody form. Her hydration status was already compromised - even if she had been drinking at Antelope Wells, which certainly appears likely. Vomiting brought about extreme dehydration and shock. Further medical tests will be more specific.
The agents checked off that to their eyes she did not appear compromised. Sure that was not a comprehensive exam nor is the father a doctor and what child would be chipper after the last several days. Kids are simply more fragile than adults, plain and simple.
Forget the form. That's only a piece of paper. The issue is that a child is dead. Sure, her father dragged her into the desert but no reasonable person would blame that on the child.
The only real question here is how likely it is that this situation could reoccur and whether we as a nation want to take steps to prevent that since larger numbers of children are arriving to stations with minimal facilities like Antelope Wells. Or whether will we tolerate a certain number of similar deaths.
Focusing on the father is a way of sidestepping that question.
Pink is your opinion.
According to this article,
According to US Customs and Border Protection (CBP), the girl was apprehended with her father for illegally entering the country on the evening of 6 December.
She was then screened and found to have no health issues.
Border Patrol agents stand guard as they look for illegal immigrants
It says she was held in a location that had food, water and toilets before she was loaded onto a bus with her father ahead of a 94-mile (151km) journey to the nearest Border Patrol Station.
But the girl began vomiting while on the bus, officials say, and later stopped breathing.
I asked a question earlier and I am going to ask again, how many 7 year old illegal immigrant children die at the border? Is this the norm or an unfortunate isolated incident?
If this is the norm, then sure, figure out a way to prevent this from happening. If this is an unfortunate isolated incident, then waiting for an investigation and figure out if border patrols were negligent. That is it.
Plus, She was transported to a hospital where she went into cardiac arrest and was revived, though she died less than 24 hours later.
Think about it. What would happen here if a parent decided to make their kid walk 2000 miles without food and water.
According to US Customs and Border Protection (CBP), the girl was apprehended with her father for illegally entering the country on the evening of 6 December.
She was then screened and found to have no health issues.
Border Patrol agents stand guard as they look for illegal immigrants
It says she was held in a location that had food, water and toilets before she was loaded onto a bus with her father ahead of a 94-mile (151km) journey to the nearest Border Patrol Station.
But the girl began vomiting while on the bus, officials say, and later stopped breathing.
I asked a question earlier and I am going to ask again, how many 7 year old illegal immigrant child die at the border? Is this the norm or an unfortunate isolated incident?
If this is the norm, then sure, figure out a way to prevent this from happening. If this is an unfortunate isolated incident, then waiting for an investigation and figure out if border patrols were negligent. That is it.
Plus, She was transported to a hospital where she went into cardiac arrest and was revived, though she died less than 24 hours later.
Think about it. What would happen here if a parent decided to make their kid walk 2000 miles without food and water..
People are arrested if they do that to a dog, let alone a child.
People are arrested if they do that to a dog, let alone a child.
exactly.
Plus, the poster Miu (I think that is her name) made an excellent point.
some people here think border patrol agents = red cross
The Border Patrol is not an immigrant daycare. They are there to not allow illegal aliens into the country and let people legally into the country. That's it. The parents should be arrested for child endangerment and abuse.
According to US Customs and Border Protection (CBP), the girl was apprehended with her father for illegally entering the country on the evening of 6 December.
She was then screened and found to have no health issues.
Border Patrol agents stand guard as they look for illegal immigrants
It says she was held in a location that had food, water and toilets before she was loaded onto a bus with her father ahead of a 94-mile (151km) journey to the nearest Border Patrol Station.
But the girl began vomiting while on the bus, officials say, and later stopped breathing.
I asked a question earlier and I am going to ask again, how many 7 year old illegal immigrant child die at the border? Is this the norm or an unfortunate isolated incident?
If this is the norm, then sure, figure out a way to prevent this from happening. If this is an unfortunate isolated incident, then waiting for an investigation and figure out if border patrols were negligent. That is it.
Plus, She was transported to a hospital where she went into cardiac arrest and was revived, though she died less than 24 hours later.
Think about it. What would happen here if a parent decided to make their kid walk 2000 miles without food and water.
I think I agree with everything you've written. The autopsy will help explain why she died. It's possible that she had an underlying health condition with no reason to be concerned about other arriving children. From what I've seen, there doesn't appear to be any reason to blame the border agents on duty.
We respond emotionally to the death of children - and that's a good thing. We may well be neurologically programed to do so. The photos of the rescuer carrying the little Syrian boy who drowned trying to reach that Greek island little boy resonated and influenced EU refugee policies.
It happens all the time. Look up how often ranchers along the border stumble across dead bodies on their land. It’s a very dangerous crossing, and these people are putting their trust in Cartels to escort them here. They’d be far better off organizing and trying to improve their own countries, or at least waiting to come here legally.
Drug cartels? Guiding people across the Mexico/US border may pay well, but from the drug cartel's POV, it's chickenfeed & not worth the cost of the logistics, nor the risk of being apprehended. A single load of marijuana can bring in substantial money, & harder drugs bring in even more (& are typically smaller loads, less weight, more value per unit of weight).
For the coyote business to pay, you need a steady stream of customers, & you have to be reachable, either in person or by phone. Either one would be very dangerous for a drug runner - your voice or face splashed over databases is not what you want. Without a cite to support the idea, I think it doesn't make any sense.
I doubt she walked the entire 2000 miles without food or water. But whatever.
Apparently, the medical screening involved asking the father if she had any health issues. Then he signed a form.
At this point, we have no way of knowing if it is an isolated incident. It was not reported by the agency but rather by a reporter.
Separating children from their families and holding them in cages was discovered by reporters as well.
So it is difficult to say at this point how often this has happened.
But it's worth trying to figure out how to avoid it happening in the future.
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This doesn't sound reasonable
