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I don't know how true that is. However, I can tell you this. The Baptist church in the USA started in the North. The Southern Baptist Convention started because mainstream Baptists were against slavery.
And the Southern Baptists and Northern Baptists (American Baptists) remain separate 150 years later, after all of the other denomination splits caused by the Civil War have long been reconciled.
I don't know how true that is. However, I can tell you this. The Baptist church in the USA started in the North. The Southern Baptist Convention started because mainstream Baptists were against slavery.
"The New World enslavement of diverse African peoples and the cultural encounter with Europeans and Native Americans produced distinctive religious perspectives that aided individuals and communities in persevering under the dehumanization of slavery and oppression. As African Americans embraced Christianity beginning in the 18th century, especially after 1770, they gathered in independent church communities and created larger denominational structures such as the African Methodist Episcopal Church, the African Methodist Episcopal Zion Church, and the National Baptist Convention. These churches and denominations became significant arenas for spiritual support, educational opportunity, economic development, and political activism. Black religious institutions served as contexts in which African Americans made meaning of the experience of enslavement, interpreted their relationship to Africa, and charted a vision for a collective future."
There is a whole culture of the southern states people do not know anything about, reason ... they don't want to know.
Black sympathizers with the Confedracy are few and far between. I don't know why you're going to such lengths to muddy the waters or to obfuscate the bigger picture.
Thank you silverkris!! I live in the South (exurbs of Atlanta). I live 45 minutes from the Georgia. I can count on one hand (and with fingers left over) how many Blacks I've met that sympathize with the Confederate flag. I've met only 2 people in my life who have ever wore a Confederate flag t-shirt. I can find far more Black people who don't like the Confederate flag. There are more White southerners who DON'T like the Confederate than Blacks that do.
Let's call it what it is. Some people are muddying the waters because the bigger picture is something they don't want to hear. Some people don't want to hear that perhaps alot of Black people have a legitimate reason to dislike the Confederate flag. This means having to consider WHY this is.
Many will say "the Confederate flag represents southern heritage". However, the segment of the southern population saying that are mostly Whites. The number of southern Blacks saying this (and more Blacks live in the South than anywhere else in the USA) is very tiny at best. One should ask themselves why this is. Those who a pro-Confederate need to come up with a better answer than "Blacks like victimhood" or "Blacks are brainwashed". Those are gaslighting tactics.
I thought about starting this thread because a video I saw. The narrator is Ossie Davis. He mentioned that Blacks were rarely asked what the southern way of life meant to them. Towards the end, a Black woman described the southern way of life in a way that isn't nice. She was very matter of fact and careful about it, but you could tell it wasn't a good way of life.
I started thinking "Many people never consider why Blacks have a grim view of the Confederate flag". It is rarely considered how polar opposite both Blacks and Whites have viewed the Confederate flag in the South.
"The most outspoken political group promoting segregation in the United States was the Dixiecrat political party, who adopted the Confederate flag as their party's symbol in 1948. Before it was adopted by the Dixiecrats, the flag was not used as a political statement. The only times the Confederate flag was flown were at occasional football games (flown by southern universities), or during Civil War reenactments. However, after the Dixiecrats adopted the flag, others also began to use it to resist desegregation and equality and oppose the Civil Rights Movement.
I put a name to the pain ...
Here is the question. Why was the Confederate flag chosen as a symbol of resistance against Civil Rights?
But the preservation of slavery was a major reason if not the *primary* reason for the Southern Treason. They said so right there in their own words!
Both sides fought for money.
Let this be the last thing I say here. Almost all of the libertarian-types tend to take the side of the confederacy. And all of the corporatists, communists, socialists, and other "statists" defend Abraham Lincoln.
Why would a lover of liberty take the side of the confederacy? Did the north actually abolish slavery, or did it just replace one type of slavery with another? Are you free?
On the reasonable assumption that slavery would have died in the south just as it had died everywhere else in the world, would you be more free or less free had the Confederacy won the war? Or if there had been no war at all?
How might race-relationships be different if slavery had died a natural death?
I wish everyone in this forum to read two essays. One is by Lysander Spooner, who was one of the most-important abolitionists in the north, and lived in Boston, Massachusetts. He wrote this essay in the wake of the Civil War. And he wrote many other essays against slavery as well.
After reading both of those essays, I wish you would come back and talk to me.
And I hope you would understand the futility of defending either side of the war. I am not defending the Confederate elites or slavery, but I will defend the confederate soldiers and the southern people. Just as I will defend the American soldiers who fought in the Iraq or Vietnam wars.
Do you know what happened to the southern people after the Civil War?
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Here is the question. Why was the Confederate flag chosen as a symbol of resistance against Civil Rights?
a symbol? LOL........so if the KKK uses the cross then all Catholics and every Christian that uses the cross are racists and bigots? LOL.
doesn't the KKK use the Christian cross to burn and as a symbol? By your silly argument, everybody that uses the cross including blacks are white supremacists.
Many will say "the Confederate flag represents southern heritage". However, the segment of the southern population saying that are mostly Whites. The number of southern Blacks saying this (and more Blacks live in the South than anywhere else in the USA) is very tiny at best. One should ask themselves why this is. Those who a pro-Confederate need to come up with a better answer than "Blacks like victimhood" or "Blacks are brainwashed". Those are gaslighting tactics.
People see what they want to see.
Many people think the American flag is a racist flag. Being that 80 years of slavery and 100 years of Jim-Crow was under the American flag. And of course, many on the left claim that America abounds with "Institutional-racism" today.
If you want to think poorly of the American flag, you'll find a reason to hate it. If you want to think poorly of the Confederate flag, you'll find a reason to hate it.
For that matter, there are plenty of reasons to hate America. I would bet you could name a hundred reasons to hate America right off the top of your head. I could.
I live in the Atlanta metro area, and you see alot of things from place to places. If I go into Alpharetta or Roswell, which are very affluent areas, I never see Confederate flags there. I never see one flying in Vinings or Sandy Springs. These are some of the more affluent suburbs of Atlanta. If I go out to parts of Douglas County, Paulding County, or Carroll County, I'm more likely to see a Confederate flag. The elements you described, though they don't fit everyone that lives there, are more likely to be found there.
It is important to understand why there is such a disconnect when it comes to how the Confederate flag is viewed by Blacks and Whites in the South. This is what this thread is for.
The disconnect between black and white is obvious, as many have pointed out. What you should be asking is, why is it acceptable to fly the confederate flag in a poor, working-class white neighborhood but not in a wealthy, upper middle-class one? Did the less-affluent folks not get the memo that this symbol is offensive? Or do they fly it because it is offensive? It's not lost on me that the group more likely to fly the confederate flag are mostly Trump supporters.
Originally Posted by green_mariner Many will say "the Confederate flag represents southern heritage". However, the segment of the southern population saying that are mostly Whites. The number of southern Blacks saying this (and more Blacks live in the South than anywhere else in the USA) is very tiny at best. One should ask themselves why this is. Those who a pro-Confederate need to come up with a better answer than "Blacks like victimhood" or "Blacks are brainwashed". Those are gaslighting tactics.
what's your point? how many native Americans wave the American flag and honor our heritage? a tiny minority but it's a heritage for the majority of Americans and the pioneers........should we get rid of the American flag and our heritage because of the feelings of a minority?
all of our founding fathers and our first president owned slaves. Should we get rid of that too to not hurt your feelings?
It's not lost on me that the group more likely to fly the confederate flag are mostly Trump supporters.
well, they are not going to support the Democrat party that is acceptable to hate white people and trash the Southern culture and look down on them, duh!!!!!! .......is kinda hard to vote for a party that trashes your skin color, trashes your culture and trashes your way of life and treat better illegals than you.....don't you think?
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