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Old 02-15-2019, 10:08 AM
 
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That's not really true. What wins elections is your base going out there and voting. If your base is disappointed, and stays home, you lose elections.

The undecided/swing voter usually are not fully independent but just don't want to register as a Republican or Democrat. You have conservative Independents who will love this move and liberal Independents who won't. The question who is energized by this move?

I'd say Trump's voters are more energized by this then the opposite. They want this wall real real bad, the rest just want to frustrate Trump.
The base on either side vote for their party -- NO MATTER WHAT.

That's inherently what the base is. They are the folks that support and vote for a candidate NO MATTER WHAT.

But in the USA -- where we are so heavily divided....it isn't the base on either side that will influence...it is that middle spectrum that might swing either way.

For me, base is motivated on either side. Both feel so strongly about their position they will not sit home at not vote -- no matter what.

But how about those 10, 704 voters in Michigan that won those electoral votes for Michigan.......not so sure they will be ready to embrace this way of doing business and the chaos it will create.
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Old 02-15-2019, 10:08 AM
 
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Courts will probably strike it down, since the money is something the Congress specifically denied. Otherwise the checks and balances no longer exists.
This is not new money. Once it goes to the Dept of Defense, the president can redirect it. The DOD is part of the Executive Branch.
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Old 02-15-2019, 10:09 AM
 
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How many more dead Americans do we need to decide what is a national emergency ?

Not one more is my answer. Angle families should not be a growing segment of the population if it can be prevented and it can be decreased if not prevented.
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Old 02-15-2019, 10:09 AM
 
Location: Pacific Northwest
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Ok, scot, let me see if I can explain this ONE MORE TIME. Contrary to what your side imagines, we DO NOT want open borders, we want them every bit as secure as do you. Where we differ is HOW to do that the best and most effective way, for every dollar we spend. We feel the "wall" is just a white elephant that would accomplish little, if anything, and consume YUGE amounts of money that could better be spent in other ways.


Secondly, THERE IS NO NATIONAL EMERGENCY at the border, get that through your head. It is nothing more than a pipe dream invented by Trump to get you riled up enough to vote for him. All the facts indicate that illegal immigration is down drastically, something that started way before Trump came on the scene. The problem is people who over stay their visas, and crime that comes in via air and seaports. The myth that they are all meeting at some point on the border and storming the barricades on a daily basis is something Donald Trump cleverly came up with to woo you and scare you into thinking he was the answer.


You were conned bigly, scot, time to educate yourself on the real facts and open your eyes to reality.
Are you in denial of what democrats actually stand for? Beto O' Rourke just this week said he would remove border fencing/ barriers as they are today. Democrats who voted yesterday on this spending package gave no extra money for ICE and no extra for border patrol either. What does that tell you? They say build bridges, not walls. Your not listening to what is being said.
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Old 02-15-2019, 10:09 AM
 
Location: Colorado
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Old 02-15-2019, 10:10 AM
 
Location: Pennsylvania
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His way should have been done many years ago before we absorbed 10s of millions of illegal aliens. Bizarre how tds sufferers are absolute contrarians
AND THAT IS THE BOTTOM LINE HERE FOLKS.


The border was supposed to be secured in 1986....after President Regan gave amnesty to about 2,000,000 illegal aliens. 33 years later we are still playing this game.
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Old 02-15-2019, 10:10 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Like the 2nd amendment? Yeah the dims really respect that
Apparently they do, since it still stands.

Or has a 'dim' president declared national emergency to grab guns? Now that Trump has opened the floodgates, everything goes, so it could happen.
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Old 02-15-2019, 10:12 AM
 
Location: Ft. Myers
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Like the 2nd amendment? Yeah the dims really respect that

The key word here, Colorado, is "amendment". Meaning it is not core to the Constitution, but was added later and revised. That means it is amendable again, as dictated by the norms and needs of the time. Amendments are revised as things evolve and demand. Doesn't change the fabric of the Constitution itself.
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Old 02-15-2019, 10:12 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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City-Data Trump supporters, any opinions?

Mike Pence called it a "profound mistake" for a president to use executive powers to bypass Congress.

Mike Pence in 2014 when asked about a democratic president using his executive powers to bypass Congress, EXACTLY what Trump is about to do:

https://twitter.com/ColorfulAsylum1/...22930873868288
In 2015, Trump was highly critical of Obama’s EOs- said it subverted the Constitution and demonstrated Obama could not get a deal.

He also said the Electorial College was a rigged system and said he ( Trump) would be too busy to golf.

Trump says a lot of things.
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Old 02-15-2019, 10:14 AM
 
Location: Proxima Centauri
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Since the President has convinced his base that he has build a lot of wall, I really have to say that he gives good wall.
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