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This is basically just......incorrect! The NHS treats rich and poor alike, you cant pay the NHS for preferential treatment, you CAN however have private medical healthcare if you want it, its really up to you, its called 'options'. Many companies will include private health care as part of their employment package.
I stay in contact with many in the UK, that are in my profession. Knee surgery is 9 months to a year wait, unless you pay to be bumped ahead, or fly to the USA and pay cash.
I'd suggest they educate themselves on the root cause of why healthcare is so expensive and to quit calling for more of it.
A lousy conservative idea of a compromise, indeed. And then the conservatives ***** about the conservative (self-responsibility part = mandate) portion of it.
Single payer mediocre for every single member of the hoi pelloi (of which I am a member) and additional private insurance for rich people if they want. We are America after all and rewarding (or not punishing) financial success to a greater degree than other developed countries is what we're all about. For good or bad, I'm on board with that.
I stay in contact with many in the UK, that are in my profession. Knee surgery is 9 months to a year wait, unless you pay to be bumped ahead, or fly to the USA and pay cash.
You don't get that they're paying to be bumped ahead here too because it's free there? Limp for 9 months (if you're example is even true) to save $25K? Sign me up.
He thinks the US higher cost than other countries is the result of government when countries with more government involvement cost less. Move along.
its getting paid for somewhere by way of taxes,rationing, salary caps,price controls, fewer coices, limits on choices...
Wouldn't it be something if we could all hire a third party to shop for us, then pay our bills and end up better off than had we done it ourselves? You suppose the third party is going to do it for nothing?
A lousy conservative idea of a compromise, indeed. And then the conservatives ***** about the conservative (self-responsibility part = mandate) portion of it.
Single payer mediocre for every single member of the hoi pelloi (of which I am a member) and additional private insurance for rich people if they want. We are America after all and rewarding (or not punishing) financial success to a greater degree than other developed countries is what we're all about. For good or bad, I'm on board with that.
Conservatives are on your side. See their support of medicare, SS ,unemployment schemes etc. for further evidence.
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I stay in contact with many in the UK, that are in my profession. Knee surgery is 9 months to a year wait, unless you pay to be bumped ahead, or fly to the USA and pay cash.
Firstly the NHS is divided up in to NHS England, NHS Scotland, NHS Wales and Health and Social Care in Northern Ireland, within each of these states, there are local NHS Trusts which run local services and have different waiting times, as do individual hospitals.
In terms of NHS as a whole, an 18 week target for all non-urgent surgical procedures is what is aimed for, and as a whole most non urgent treatments are dealt with within this timeframe, and you can look at avialable places at different hospitals in order to receive the next available treatment.
It also should be noted that it was announced last year that the NHS was to receive significant new funding, whilst in terms of urgent or emergency healthcare the NHS has a very good record.
The maximum waiting time for non-urgent consultant-led treatments is 18 weeks, and if you have to wait longer this is known as a ‘breach’. With a little research and discussion with your GP or other referring clinician, it is possible to receive such treatment well within the 18-week maximum period. If you or a loved one are in pain and your wait for treatment is affecting your quality of life, read on to discover how you could be seen sooner….
1. When you are choosing where you might receive treatment, always research individual hospitals’ waiting times. You can do this by using the NHS e-Referral Service (the information comes up in a drop down menu called ‘Services Near You’) or by checking hospital websites – many update their waiting times at least weekly and it can be a good way to see which hospital has the capacity to see you sooner. Your access to the NHS e-Referral Service will be given to you by your GP.
2. The waiting period starts from when the hospital of your choice receives your referral letter, or when the first appointment is booked via the NHS e-Referral Service. So the sooner you choose where to be treated, the sooner your surgery should be booked.
3. NHS patients have the right to choose where they receive NHS treatment. You will be offered a number of suitable options by your GP, referring clinician or the NHS e-Referral Service. You can do your own research and suggest your preference to your GP too. A good track record on waiting times should play an important role in how you make your decision if you want to be treated as soon as possible. Always remember that it is your right to choose where you receive your NHS treatment.
Someone asked for an example of why a person in the UK would use private insurance instead of the NHS. An example I've given before--an aunt in the UK needed knee replacement. They had also scheduled a vacation in France.
Since knee replacement is not an emergency, she would have had to wait a few months. She decided to go private so they wouldn't have to reschedule their vacation in France.
He lives in New York with his girlfriend and his child. He chose to have the surgery near his home. That does not mean you can't get the same care in the UK. Logic doesn't work that way.
Of course there is good care in New York City.
And guess what most Americans don't have access to it.
But you do not understand. The alt-right logic goes like this--
a. The much-aligned US For-Profit healthcare system is great, despite bankrupting people and allowing others to die or use the ER for healthcare.
b. The UK NHS sucks--booo--socialism.
c. Mick Jagger fell ill in the US, saw a doctor in the US, owns a home in NY, and is having surgery in NY, so therefore:
d. Of course, that means that socialism sucks and we should not have universal healthcare.
I stay in contact with many in the UK, that are in my profession. Knee surgery is 9 months to a year wait, unless you pay to be bumped ahead, or fly to the USA and pay cash.
They can have it done in the UK for a lot less than it costs to fly to the US and have it done here.
You know what a cat scan and chest x-ray costs at the local hospital? $27K
Also--someone should make your friend aware that in the UK, they do sell private insurance--if you don't want to depend solely on the NHS. It is a miracle! And I'm sure the private insurance is less costly than having it done here.
Oddly, I have a number of British and Irish friends who go back home annually for medical, dental and vision issues because it is so much cheaper there.
One British man who had moved here did not get health insurance. They really don't like the expense of it here. Anyhow, he was bitten by a brown recluse spider and told if he waited til he flew to the UK, he could lose his leg. So they treated him here for it. The bill was $80k.
Why not Havana Cuba or Toronto Canada or London. Why would he come to the United States that supposedly according to many on this forum has an inferior medical system. I don’t get it?
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