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Old 04-02-2019, 07:42 AM
 
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And the sky is green. The US healthcare is free market and thats why it sucks. Some things like healthcare should not have a profit motive. A shoe repair shop yes healthcare no.
Govt intervenes in almost if not every aspect of healthcare. Prove me wrong.
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Old 04-02-2019, 07:44 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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So rich people get treatment in the US? All this shows is that the free market works as intended screwing over the poor and giving the rich what they need.
In socialized medicine, the rich get better treatment than the poor. They don't have to wait 1/2 a year. they pay extra and get pushed ahead of the lower classes.
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Old 04-02-2019, 07:45 AM
 
Location: SE UK
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In socialized medicine, the rich get better treatment than the poor. They don't have to wait 1/2 a year. they pay extra and get pushed ahead of the lower classes.
This is basically just......incorrect! The NHS treats rich and poor alike, you cant pay the NHS for preferential treatment, you CAN however have private medical healthcare if you want it, its really up to you, its called 'options'. Many companies will include private health care as part of their employment package.
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Old 04-02-2019, 07:45 AM
 
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In the meantime, if using one persons decision to authoritatively determine the superiority of a healthcare system; what do these links then indicate:

https://foreignpolicy.com/2018/01/02...ate-americans/

https://today.law.harvard.edu/featur...dical-tourism/

Americans to the tune of over 1.4 million, on average per year, have been travelling to places like Costa Rica, Thailand, India, Vietnam, Bangladesh, not to mention Mexico and any number of some third world countries to get everything from major heart surgery to joint replacements and they've been doing it for decades.

Using nothing more than the O/P's inane assertion, surely that's an indication of the "quality of U.S. care".

We could go around on this topic as we have before many times, with posting links to American org's. declaring that the third leading cause of preventable deaths in the U.S. is Medical Error. We could post figures gathered by American sources listing the fact that upwards of 45,000 Americans are dying each year for lack of pre-emptive healthcare but as no one in the U.S. government is keeping accurate tabs of how many people are dying from an illness left untreated, that number could be double or even triple and you wouldn't know.

You've got a major problem in the U.S. and instead of looking askance at others who are happy with their system of delivery; you perhaps should focus upon your country being the one currently burning up bandwidth discussing the failures within your own country.

Think of the opportunity you have at this time, legislators being able to observe a plethora of systems of delivery across the globe, picking and choosing those things that work, discarding those things that don't, or would be a bad fit, to draft a system that would be world leading, providing a level of service hitherto unparalleled anywhere and at reasonable cost.

BUT instead, what are you doing? Looking over there and critiquing other countries whose citizens are not in the least bit wanting to duplicate your current boondoggle.
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Old 04-02-2019, 07:45 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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And the sky is green. The US healthcare is free market and thats why it sucks. Some things like healthcare should not have a profit motive. A shoe repair shop yes healthcare no.
No it is not. Government is all up in their business and has stuck a 3rd party by mandate in front of your doctor. It is a Fascist pyramid scheme here.
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Old 04-02-2019, 07:48 AM
 
Location: Colorado Springs
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In socialized medicine, the rich get better treatment than the poor.
In socialized medicine the poor get treatment...
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Old 04-02-2019, 07:48 AM
 
Location: Austin TX
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In the meantime, if using one persons decision to authoritatively determine the superiority of a healthcare system; what do these links then indicate:

https://foreignpolicy.com/2018/01/02...ate-americans/

https://today.law.harvard.edu/featur...dical-tourism/

Americans to the tune of over 1.4 million, on average per year, have been travelling to places like Costa Rica, Thailand, India, Vietnam, Bangladesh, not to mention Mexico and any number of some third world countries to get everything from major heart surgery to joint replacements and they've been doing it for decades.

Using nothing more than the O/P's inane assertion, surely that's an indication of the "quality of U.S. care".

We could go around on this topic as we have before many times, with posting links to American org's. declaring that the third leading cause of preventable deaths in the U.S. is Medical Error. We could post figures gathered by American sources listing the fact that upwards of 45,000 Americans are dying each year for lack of pre-emptive healthcare but as no one in the U.S. government is keeping accurate tabs of how many people are dying from an illness left untreated, that number could be double or even triple and you wouldn't know.

You've got a major problem in the U.S. and instead of looking askance at others who are happy with their system of delivery; you perhaps should focus upon your country being the one currently burning up bandwidth discussing the failures within your own country.

Think of the opportunity you have at this time, legislators being able to observe a plethora of systems of delivery acorss the whole globe, picking and choosing those things that work, discarding those things that don't or would be a bad fit, to draft a system that would be world leading, providing a level of service hitherto unparalleled anywhere and at reasonable cost.

BUT instead, what are you doing? Looking over there and critiquing other countries whose citizens are not in the least bit wanting to duplicate your current boondoggle.
Here we go again with another long-winded critique by our resident all-knowing Canadian.
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Old 04-02-2019, 07:56 AM
 
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Mick Jagger lives in his own universe. Health costs, monogamy, etc are irrelevant to him.


Get well soon Sir Mick!
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Old 04-02-2019, 08:00 AM
 
Location: Just over the horizon
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And the sky is green. The US healthcare is free market and thats why it sucks. Some things like healthcare should not have a profit motive. A shoe repair shop yes healthcare no.


Insurance companies wouldn't be a factor in a truly free market equation.

Remove insurance from the equation and watch costs drop like a rock.

People don't care how much something costs when someone else is paying.
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Old 04-02-2019, 08:00 AM
 
Location: Austin TX
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I’d be real nervous operating on Mick Jagger’s heart. It probably glows, and has special powers stored in a hidden amulet inside one of his ventricles.
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