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Old 05-12-2019, 07:26 PM
 
Location: USA
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I don't think many Americans would want fascists (albeit depending on one's definition of fascism, it could be argued that we are already there).

But the point of course is that if Democrats continue to call for lax border enforcement, fascists will seize the advantage handed to them, in order to gain power.
Agree.

What’s truly bizarre is that the Democrats continue to call for lax border enforcement. If they truly want Americans to have universal healthcare, then surely they understand that we can’t provide it for every person who walks across the border? Maybe they are worried about alienating Hispanic voters.

That’s what I loathe about identity politics. People will go against their own economic interests for the sake of their own perceived tribal “in group.”

It’s not black vs white vs Hispanic. It’s about the bottom 99% vs the top 1%. It’s about the 99% who toil for the benefit of the 1%. We’re rapidly heading back to the Gilded Age (if we aren’t there already) and we’re too divided along “tribal” lines to stop it.

If things keep going this way, we definitely risk a fascist movement seizing power.

 
Old 05-12-2019, 07:36 PM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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I can't see Biden or Bernie as strong challengers at this point. Biden has run 3 times in the past and lost every time. He has well-documented corruption issues in his past that will come out, and his 'unwanted touching' issues (probably not significant, however).

Bernie is a self-described socialist. Despite fog around that issue, I once asked a knowledgeable poster (and Bernie fan) if Bernie is an actual socialist, or just a social Democrat (i.e. favors Scandinavian style gov't).

The poster replied that yes, based on past work and affiliations, Bernie deep down is a real socialist, i.e. favors collective ownership of the means of production.
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Bernie might not get a 49-1 shellacking like McGovern in 1972, but he would be lucky to win more than what Kerry got in 2004--the West coast, the northeast, Illinois and MN. It would still be landslide numbers for Trump.
I think those two are the best shots and they both are polling that good to challenge Trump. Biden is even polling better than Trump in Arizona. Obviously, it is early so this can change.
 
Old 05-12-2019, 07:50 PM
 
Location: Clyde Hill, WA
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I think those two are the best shots and they both are polling that good to challenge Trump. Biden is even polling better than Trump in Arizona. Obviously, it is early so this can change.
My hope is that one of the lesser-known moderates will emerge, like Bennet or Castro. I think Castro would be a better candidate than either Biden or Bernie, although even Castro would of course be a long shot barring new developments. But still a better candidate.
 
Old 05-12-2019, 07:55 PM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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My hope is that one of the lesser-known moderates will emerge, like Bennet or Castro. I think Castro would be a better candidate than either Biden or Bernie, although even Castro would of course be a long shot barring new developments. But still a better candidate.
The problem I see with the Democratic Party is the same the Republicans had in 2012, fight the extremes and go moderate or give into them. Trump is pulling the Republicans far right mind you.
 
Old 05-12-2019, 08:03 PM
 
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Wait, what? You never addressed the fact that Trump is on his umpteenth vacation at Mar-a-Lago right now spending OUR money going golfing and NOT working for us, the US taxpayers.



No. Trump puts himself first. He always has.



Compassionate? Are we talking about the same person? The "man" who calls Mexicans diseased, Africans parasites, and women "dogfaces." That person is compassionate



Helping others. You are aware that Trump's trade war is the direct cause of all these farmers in Middle America going bankrupt, right? China won't buy our crops anymore. So WE are now paying to bail our our farmers. Thanks Trump!



No. I'm tearing the post apart because it's not true. And he is not exposing radical leftists and RINOs. He is exposing himself as a habitual liar, an idiot, corrupt, and incompetent to clean floors, much less be president.
 
Old 05-12-2019, 08:13 PM
 
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Let's go!

1) It's the economy, stupid! Record-low unemployment, strong economic growth, roaring stock market. As long as we are around a similar point in 18 months from now, he's in.

2) Priority given to illegal aliens. Tax-paying, law-abiding Americans - particular those in the working and lower-middle classes (which is the majority of voters) - are fed up with liberals caring more about the interests of illegals than American citizens. That became even more painfully obvious with Biden's recent promise to give illegal aliens American medical care, when many middle-income earners can't afford the care they need due to Obama's awful ACA. (Someone needs to tell Biden illegals can't vote, so why is he pandering to them?)

3) Speaking of pandering....the Democrats' bribes to voters. The current crop of leftist Democratic hopefuls are shamelessly trying to buy votes with their promise of free college! reparations! reduced rents! guaranteed living income for non-workers!, etc., etc. Only the people at the bottom quarter, who would be getting the free stuff, will fall for it - and guess what? They don't even show up at the polls.

4) The venom liberals spew toward conservatives. Liberals are concentrated on the coasts, but the rest of America is tired of being called racist, brown shirts, neo-Nazis, xenophobes, or idiots simply because they wouldn't vote for the Democrat and are opposed to the tens of thousands of unskilled, uneducated, illegal aliens flooding the border every month. This will energize the biggest voting bloc in the country to turn out at the polls.

Anybody else care to contribute?

You covered it perfectly. I also agree Trump has a easy path to re-election unless the Democrats change course, sharply, towards what they formerly called Blue Dog Democratic policies. Instead, the DNC views the out of touch coasts as if they represent America, when they are simply a tiny portion, far out of touch, with most of America.
 
Old 05-12-2019, 08:21 PM
 
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Well, just in my lifetime there have been 9 presidents and three of them, George Bush I, Jimmy Carter and Gerald Ford would all disagree with you. One third of them lost their reelection bids despite the advantage of already being in the White House.
Ford's 1976 election bid wasn't a reelection bid.

Ford was never elected to be vice president, nor president.
 
Old 05-12-2019, 08:38 PM
 
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Ford's 1976 election bid wasn't a reelection bid.

Ford was never elected to be vice president, nor president.
Ford was president. He was the first un-elected POTUS. Nixon made Ford his VP after Agnew resigned. When Nixon resigned, Ford became POTUS. Ford DID run for re-election against Carter and lost.
History really is a wonderful thing.
 
Old 05-12-2019, 08:49 PM
 
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Let's go!

1) It's the economy, stupid! Record-low unemployment, strong economic growth, roaring stock market. As long as we are around a similar point in 18 months from now, he's in.

2) Priority given to illegal aliens. Tax-paying, law-abiding Americans - particular those in the working and lower-middle classes (which is the majority of voters) - are fed up with liberals caring more about the interests of illegals than American citizens. That became even more painfully obvious with Biden's recent promise to give illegal aliens American medical care, when many middle-income earners can't afford the care they need due to Obama's awful ACA. (Someone needs to tell Biden illegals can't vote, so why is he pandering to them?)

3) Speaking of pandering....the Democrats' bribes to voters. The current crop of leftist Democratic hopefuls are shamelessly trying to buy votes with their promise of free college! reparations! reduced rents! guaranteed living income for non-workers!, etc., etc. Only the people at the bottom quarter, who would be getting the free stuff, will fall for it - and guess what? They don't even show up at the polls.

4) The venom liberals spew toward conservatives. Liberals are concentrated on the coasts, but the rest of America is tired of being called racist, brown shirts, neo-Nazis, xenophobes, or idiots simply because they wouldn't vote for the Democrat and are opposed to the tens of thousands of unskilled, uneducated, illegal aliens flooding the border every month. This will energize the biggest voting bloc in the country to turn out at the polls.

Anybody else care to contribute?
Are these the same top four reasons the Republicans lost the House last November -- just wondering?
 
Old 05-12-2019, 09:04 PM
 
Location: Coastal Mid-Atlantic
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You covered it perfectly. I also agree Trump has a easy path to re-election unless the Democrats change course, sharply, towards what they formerly called Blue Dog Democratic policies. Instead, the DNC views the out of touch coasts as if they represent America, when they are simply a tiny portion, far out of touch, with most of America.

He's counting on that, being his staying out of jail card.
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