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View Poll Results: Should a presidential candidate alert the FBI to foreign adversaries trying to give them “dirt” on t
Yes 153 81.38%
No 35 18.62%
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Old 06-16-2019, 06:07 AM
 
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This fantasy still cooking? Talk about desperate. Geesh
You better believe it is still cooking. Rightly so, patriots say!

The bipartisan condemnation of Mr. Trump's declaration that “I’d take it” if Russia again offered campaign help and his assertion that he would not necessarily tell the F.B.I. about it, is a pot boiling over, as it should be. A pot that we all watched Trump fill with his very own undeniable words. No matter how much he tries to walk it back and his shills try to spin it, there is no mistaking that once again, he’d consider accepting dirt from foreign governments on his opponents in an effort to interfere in our elections and democracy!

THIS FUROR IS NO FANTASY!

The President of the United States, told all who were listening, that he, Donald Trump condones a foreign government's interference in our elections. This bears repeating over and over! If any other government employee uttered this it would preclude him/her from getting even the most basic security clearance. Why are there posters who continue to cling to Trump's phony what-about-isms, bogus everybody does it and fraudulent legal claims? All of these have been easily and credibly refuted.

Some of the president’s staunchest supporters understand the appalling and shocking seriousness of having a commander-in-chief who idiotically asserted this...why are there posters who continue to believe this is a fantasy, acceptable and harmless?

“If a public official is approached by a foreign government offering anything of value, the answer is no — whether it be money, opposition research,” said Senator Lindsey Graham (R) of South Carolina, a close ally of the president.

“I wouldn’t do it,” said Senator Joni Ernst (R)Iowa. “I wouldn’t accept material like that.”
When a reporter noted that Mr. Trump said politicians do it all the time, she added firmly: “No, we don’t. Let’s stop there. No we don’t.”

Christopher Wray, a Trump appointee, warned against this lawlessness and of course Trump angrily denounced the F.B.I. director as "wrong".

The only desperation is Trump's pathetic attempt to pull the wool over his follower's eyes! The comparison of having tea with the Queen of England to taking clandestine help from agents of President Vladimir Putin, as part of a concerted campaign by Russian intelligence to tilt an American presidential election, is the fantasy that he wants some of those on this thread to believe and promote.

Make no mistake, the President of the United States, told all who were listening, that he, Donald Trump condones a foreign government's interference in our elections. He believes he and his administration are above the law.

"Geesh" just does not begin to convey the chilling state of affairs of our nation under Trump!

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Old 06-16-2019, 06:12 AM
 
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I think it is very funny and EXTREEMLY hypocritical of the Dems. Those saying Trump should not listen if foreigners offered dirt on opponent, yet seem to give Hillary a pass when she not only listened but actively engaged in digging up dirt on Trump that became the Steele dossier. IF you need help remembering here is info from NBC News:
I think it is extremely ignorant of Republicans to continue to gaslight about how paying an American firm for research is the same as soliciting and accepting "free" campaign help from Putin.
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Old 06-16-2019, 06:23 AM
 
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I think it is extremely ignorant of Republicans to continue to gaslight about how paying an American firm for research is the same as soliciting and accepting "free" campaign help from Putin.
I'm not a Republican but if Hillary wasn't so corrupt none of this matters. I think it's extremely ignorant for Democrats to continue to ignore that.

To be fair, I believe a more and more do understand that and don't want to make the same mistake.
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Old 06-16-2019, 06:45 AM
 
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I think it is very funny and EXTREEMLY hypocritical of the Dems. Those saying Trump should not listen if foreigners offered dirt on opponent, yet seem to give Hillary a pass when she not only listened but actively engaged in digging up dirt on Trump that became the Steele dossier. IF you need help remembering here is info from NBC News:
Do you find it funny that the Federal Election Commission had to say that would be illegal?

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Old 06-16-2019, 06:51 AM
 
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Do you find it funny that the Federal Election Commission had to say that would be illegal?

Great, so the steel dossier, what would you consider it?
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Old 06-16-2019, 06:51 AM
 
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I think it is extremely ignorant of Republicans to continue to gaslight about how paying an American firm for research is the same as soliciting and accepting "free" campaign help from Putin.


Put simply, the two are not the same. Trump is selling it as the same, but we all know it is just another phony product.

The main difference is the role of a foreign government. That distinction is critical, national security and intelligence experts state, because a foreign government that interferes in American politics is likely to have a stake in what happens on Election Day.

While Russia’s meddling was intended to help Trump win, Steele was contracted by Fusion GPS to find out more about Trump’s ties to Russia. "That has nothing to do with a candidate soliciting something from a foreign power," say CIA and FBI experts.

A foreign government could also take measures that Steele, a private British citizen, would not have been capable of, say experts on U.S.-Russia policy. Russia, for example, used its intelligence apparatus to hack the Clinton campaign and steal damaging information.

Steele is not a member of the U.K. government, so it’s not like the Clinton campaign was working with a foreign government that was trying to interfere in our election. They’re not in the same ballpark. Trump knows it. His administration knows it. Congress knows it. The Justice Department knows it. The country knows it.

He and his minions have dug this tired and credibly refuted talking point out, yet again, as a desperate means to keep his followers confused and willfully ignorant!

Do not be confused by the desperate distractions of our lawless president and his followers: The President of the United States, told all who were listening, that he, Donald Trump condones a foreign government's interference in our elections. The President of the United States admitted, on national television, he would yet again consider accepting information/dirt on his political opponents from a foreign government for the purpose of interfering in a US election and our democracy! These words cannot be repeated enough times.

Donald Trump made an "IN YOUR FACE AMERICA" admission that he is above the law!

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Old 06-16-2019, 07:02 AM
 
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Put simply, the two are not the same. Trump is selling it as the same, but we all know it is just another phony product.

The main difference is the role of a foreign government. That distinction is critical, national security and intelligence experts state, because a foreign government that interferes in American politics is likely to have a stake in what happens on Election Day.

While Russia’s meddling was intended to help Trump win, Steele was contracted by Fusion GPS to find out more about Trump’s ties to Russia. "That has nothing to do with a candidate soliciting something from a foreign power," say CIA and FBI experts.

A foreign government could also take measures that Steele, a private British citizen, would not have been capable of, say experts on U.S.-Russia policy. Russia, for example, used its intelligence apparatus to hack the Clinton campaign and steal damaging information.

Steele is not a member of the U.K. government, so it’s not like the Clinton campaign was working with a foreign government that was trying to interfere in our election. They’re not in the same ballpark. Trump knows it. His administration knows it. Congress knows it. The Justice Department knows it. The country knows it.

He and his minions have dug this tired and credibly refuted talking point out, yet again, as a desperate means to keep his followers confused and willfully ignorant!
You do know Steele was an intelligence officer for MI6, right?

So a private Russian citizen, who once worked as KGB operative, no longer has ties to the Russian government? LOL. Sure. You keep believing that.

By the way, the Clinton email server that she kept in her bathroom was absolutely a soft target. Any script-kiddie across the planet could've exploited it. You don't need a nation state to simply log in.
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Old 06-16-2019, 07:03 AM
 
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Put simply, the two are not the same. Trump is selling it as the same, but we all know it is just another phony product.

The main difference is the role of a foreign government. That distinction is critical, national security and intelligence experts state, because a foreign government that interferes in American politics is likely to have a stake in what happens on Election Day.

While Russia’s meddling was intended to help Trump win, Steele was contracted by Fusion GPS to find out more about Trump’s ties to Russia. "That has nothing to do with a candidate soliciting something from a foreign power," say CIA and FBI experts.

A foreign government could also take measures that Steele, a private British citizen, would not have been capable of, say experts on U.S.-Russia policy. Russia, for example, used its intelligence apparatus to hack the Clinton campaign and steal damaging information.

Steele is not a member of the U.K. government, so it’s not like the Clinton campaign was working with a foreign government that was trying to interfere in our election. They’re not in the same ballpark. Trump knows it. His administration knows it. Congress knows it. The Justice Department knows it. The country knows it.

He and his minions have dug this tired and credibly refuted talking point out, yet again, as a desperate means to keep his followers confused and willfully ignorant!
The information released on the corruption within the DNC was an internal release.
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Old 06-16-2019, 07:27 AM
 
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I'm not a Republican but if Hillary wasn't so corrupt none of this matters. I think it's extremely ignorant for Democrats to continue to ignore that.
To be fair, I believe a more and more do understand that and don't want to make the same mistake.
Baloney.

Clinton is not corrupt. This is Republican and Russian BS to make Americans suspicious of her.

Smearing candidates with lies -- "Swift Boating" -- has been a Republican go-to move for decades.

Clinton has never been charged, let alone credibly accused of any of these Republican bogus conspiracy tales. Orders assassinations? That Anthony Wiener still walks this earth is testament to that lie.

Republicans have investigated her and Bill endlessly and all they could ever come up with is that Bill lied about a blow job from a woman in her twenties who has been clear that she was a willing participant.

Clinton's foundation is still highly rated. State of New York will still allow her to serve on non-profit Boards. Her personal attorney is not in prison with indictments naming her as a co-conspirator. She is not bragging about violating U.S. laws. ...
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Old 06-16-2019, 07:28 AM
 
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Do you find it funny that the Federal Election Commission had to say that would be illegal?
That's hysterical.

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