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Old 07-16-2019, 12:44 AM
 
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Any proof that the Drug Enforcement Agency actually helps the cartels? If they do, then also go after the politicians that put prohibitions on drugs as well. When exactly has the DEA gone after big pharma? If anything big pharma with all the opioids helped this more than the DEA. Sounds like you bought into some shoddy conspiracy theory there rstevens.
2012 was the year DEA enacted the tough new laws on prescription opioids, they targeted pill mills, doctors who wrote too many scripts, etc. I personally watched the DEA raid a local pain clinic and shut it down around that time.


I was an addict back then, and was using painkillers daily, I knew many other addicts that went to that same pain clinic....whats interesting though, after DEA shut that place and others like it down, all the former pill addicts moved on to using heroin (because it became too hard and expensive to obtain prescription opioids at that point)....Here is where the collusion/aiding and abetting comes into play...


DEA essentially shut down heroins competition (painkillers), addicts could no longer get their fix from ER docs, or pill mills, they were 'pushed' towards heroin (cartel supplied heroin to be precise).


Besides that, dont you think its kind of strange, the big and powerful pharma industry, (who was making a killing off the soaring opioid sales), seems to just allow the DEA to come in and throw a wrench into all that, creating laws that would result in MUCH fewer opioids being given out and sold? What industry doesnt challenge and fight new laws that would negatively impact some of its best selling products?!!


I see the proof all the time around here, instead of painkiller epidemics...we now have heroin epidemics, (the only thing that changed is which 'entity' is raking all the money in...Before the 2012 laws, it was the pharma giants, and their opioids...today, its the drug cartels, since they are the supplier of heroin to the US)


Of course, I do not have to go into detail about how this change benefited the DEA and other US law enforcement.
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Old 07-16-2019, 12:54 AM
 
Location: Scottsdale, AZ
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Like the sheriffs who have indeed been getting praise for ignoring state gun laws?
Which sheriff has ignored state gun laws?
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Old 07-16-2019, 02:37 AM
 
Location: San Francisco Bay Area
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It’s following the law.

Immigration enforcement is the job of the feds. Local authorities are not given budget nor power to deal with it.

It becomes an issue only when they start actively warning them of ICE raids and such.
They? You mean Trump. Trump, the consumate huckster and scare-monger, is the one who warned when ICE raids were to start.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/immigration/trump-says-ice-raids-to-start-sunday-emphasizing-purge-of-criminal-immigrants/2019/07/12/b063e87c-a4b5-11e9-bd56-eac6bb02d01d_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.68 40f182e181

I agree with Senator Klobuchar, who said: "Deportation raids are about distracting from issues" and "Trump wants this Chaos." " The Trump Administration announced Immigration and Customs Enforcement deportation raids in order to "make news" and scare the public.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/depo...ry?id=64295516
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Old 07-16-2019, 09:35 AM
 
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Which sheriff has ignored state gun laws?
12 county sheriffs in WA state have pledged not to enforce I-1639. People are actually calling it 2nd amendment sanctuary counties.
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Old 07-16-2019, 10:35 AM
 
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From what I've seen of it...

The attorney general has instructed state law enforcement to not work with the Feds.

Nothing against the law there. That's not aiding and abetting.



Nothing you posted pertains to this attorney generals direction for state law enforcement.
You have a reading comprehension problem.
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Old 07-16-2019, 03:58 PM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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2012 was the year DEA enacted the tough new laws on prescription opioids, they targeted pill mills, doctors who wrote too many scripts, etc. I personally watched the DEA raid a local pain clinic and shut it down around that time.


I was an addict back then, and was using painkillers daily, I knew many other addicts that went to that same pain clinic....whats interesting though, after DEA shut that place and others like it down, all the former pill addicts moved on to using heroin (because it became too hard and expensive to obtain prescription opioids at that point)....Here is where the collusion/aiding and abetting comes into play...


DEA essentially shut down heroins competition (painkillers), addicts could no longer get their fix from ER docs, or pill mills, they were 'pushed' towards heroin (cartel supplied heroin to be precise).


Besides that, dont you think its kind of strange, the big and powerful pharma industry, (who was making a killing off the soaring opioid sales), seems to just allow the DEA to come in and throw a wrench into all that, creating laws that would result in MUCH fewer opioids being given out and sold? What industry doesnt challenge and fight new laws that would negatively impact some of its best selling products?!!


I see the proof all the time around here, instead of painkiller epidemics...we now have heroin epidemics, (the only thing that changed is which 'entity' is raking all the money in...Before the 2012 laws, it was the pharma giants, and their opioids...today, its the drug cartels, since they are the supplier of heroin to the US)


Of course, I do not have to go into detail about how this change benefited the DEA and other US law enforcement.
Opioids were problemous for sometime before that as were doctors whom were pill pushers giving questionable scripts and amounts. This wasn't anything new in 2012. I'm sure you came across people who knew who were the Doctor Feelgood in your area. The pushback was on these doctors, not big Pharma. Big pharma reacted by asking pharmacies to set limits on how many you get, partially because smaller bottles mean higher prices per pill. Can't tell me they didn't benefit that way.

What did happen is this did kick it towards the drug cartels but not out of the DEA partnering with them. What cartels benefited from was that big pharmacy got people hooked on opioids but they cut off supply following the law to protect the public. This isn't some conspiracy but rather a cause-effect. I honestly don't know why big pharmacy don't just dump opioids and go to a different painkiller. What opioids do has been known long before the Doctor Feelgoods were a thing.

To say the DEA did help the cartels isn't that wrong but they didn't do it because they are in cahoots with them.
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Old 07-16-2019, 08:39 PM
 
Location: Shaker Heights, OH
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I agree w/ cities doing this...and I'd go further and warn the local immigrant communities of any impending ICE raid. ICE simply needs to be abolished.
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Old 07-16-2019, 08:45 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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This is going on in liberal areas and in NJ. Our AG told county sheriffs and local law enforcement not to work with ICE. Is this treason? Obstruction of justice? Or is it acceptable?
When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation
Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.


The Republican Form of Government, instituted by the Declaration of Independence, wherein the American people are "sovereigns without subjects," and the president is merely the highest ranking public SERVANT, one step down in status from the lowest American sovereign.


https://www.law.cornell.edu/supremec...CR_0002_0419_Z
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Old 07-16-2019, 09:06 PM
 
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I agree w/ cities doing this...and I'd go further and warn the local immigrant communities of any impending ICE raid. ICE simply needs to be abolished.
Why would you do that? They aren't "immigrant" communities they are law breaking illegal alien communities that have no right to be in this country.
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Old 07-16-2019, 09:23 PM
 
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I agree w/ cities doing this...and I'd go further and warn the local immigrant communities of any impending ICE raid. ICE simply needs to be abolished.
Why would you not want perpetual fugitives removed from the country? Unless of course...
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