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Who covers the insurance is not why healthcare is expensive.
Government creating, growing and protecting the hospital and pharmaceutical monopolies is why healthcare is expensive.
You pay more because government blocks competition for their AHA/AMA and Big Pharma buddies.
The cost of healthcare will not change if the insurance industry is destroyed and LeviathanCare is the sole provider, because all that did was shift who get the premiums. If anything, costs will go up because unlike te private insurer, Leviathan doesn't have to be profitable to stay in business. They are the biggest and most powerful monopoly, as well as being a currency sovereign. So if costs go up, they don't GAFF because they'll print/steal more revenue and make the general ledger look good, and nobody can stop them.
And they'll own a major chunk of the economy as well as direct control over the single most powerful product/service a person wants/needs. It's a power grab so profound that it literally erases the American Revolution and transfers 100% of the power back to the government and away from the people.
You prefer your government's chains over an employer's chains, and never seem to question the concept of being chained. I get it, you're born with your government chains, so employer chains can seem onerous and excessive when added, but remove the employer chains and guess what...you're still in chains, and Leviathan's are unbreakable.
That transfer of power is what leftists are really after and they think hiding that goal inside siren-song "freedom from responsibility" promises will bring that goal to fruition.
I'd rather be chained to an employer than chained to a system that makes me support imbeciles that think being employed is being chained to an employer.
Funny how every single country in the world has rejected that system for their people and have far less problems with corruption in their health care system than us. Losing your health care and risking the life of your family if the employer lays you off is the polar opposite of real freedom. Millions are forced to work crappy jobs and tolerate awful bosses and working conditions because of that.
Bernie has again underestimated the costs to the middle class. Instead of $10,000, it will be closer to $20,000 per year.
The cost of health care today is currently $44 000 per year on average for a family of four. More than twice that of other developed countries. You're saying that we are so incompetent that not only will we not save any money doing what other countries have done, but it will actually be three times as expensive as the rest of the developed world?
Thats just corporate propaganda. We need to find the guts to take on the corruption. If we dont find the guts to do that, and instead just parrot corporate talking points from the medical industrial complex, how can we hope to improve?
Funny how every single country in the world have rejected that system for their people and have far less problems with corruption in their health care system than us. Losing your health care and risking the life of your family if the employer lays you off is the polar opposite of real freedom. Millions are forced to work crappy jobs and tolerate awful bosses and working conditions because of that.
Funny how every time I turn around I read a story about how people come to the US for life-saving medical care because the care they paid for all their working lives has failed them. No thanks. I'll keep what I have.
As far as the bolded. Waaaahhhhhh! So what? That is the weakest attempt at a moral argument I have ever seen. You and the millions you reference are not entitled to anything, least of all the fruits of my time, talent, and productivity. And it's not the masses you are concerned with, it's YOU. You are arguing for YOU. This is what YOU want. Do you think you're entitled to a fantastic and care-free life because you f--king exist? Go out and make yourself truly valuable to society. Trying to convince people to vote for socialism on an internet blog is not your strong suit.
What are you talking about? A M4A system means the worker will be paying far less for health care, get better coverage, not have to worry about health care bankruptcy anymore and no longer be chained to the employer for the health of their family.
What it really comes down to is many/most people simply do not believe that it will cost them less and get them more. What has government ever done that resulted in that? It's a huge gamble and pretty much irreversible since once we wipe out the current healthcare/insurance architecture it would be extremely difficult to restore it.
Here's what I'm talking about. I'm not voting to end my employer sponsored insurance, also known as part of my compensation, to pitch in for a health care collective for people who are unwilling to work. I'm not voting for a socialist, or socialism, and I'm going to use all my literary skills to articulate to people why doing so is a colossally stupid idea.
Your pitch turns out to be BS as soon as reality scratches the surface of it.
I'm also not pitching in for a health care collective for illegal immigrants. The libs attempts to include illegals is what is going to torpedo any UHC/M4A plans.
What are you talking about? A M4A system means the worker will be paying far less for health care, get better coverage, not have to worry about health care bankruptcy anymore and no longer be chained to the employer for the health of their family.
No, it doesn’t. Both my wife on BCBS insurance and my dad on Medicare had massive strokes. The coverage from BCBS for therapy afterwards was fantastic. Meanwhile my dad got bare minimum therapy from Medicare. Stop lying. Private insurance tends to be much better than Medicare. I don’t have to buy supplemental insurance with BCBS.
I'm also not pitching in for a health care collective for illegal immigrants. The libs attempts to include illegals is what is going to torpedo any UHC/M4A plans.
The cost of health care today is currently $44 000 per year on average for a family of four. More than twice that of other developed countries. You're saying that we are so incompetent that not only will we not save any money doing what other countries have done, but it will actually be three times as expensive as the rest of the developed world?
Thats just corporate propaganda. We need to find the guts to take on the corruption. If we dont find the guts to do that, and instead just parrot corporate talking points from the medical industrial complex, how can we hope to improve?
Our educational system is socialized and we pay significantly more than other countries. Our military system is socialized and we pay significantly more than other countries. If we socialize our healthcare, we aren't going to be paying what other countries pay for healthcare.
My mediocre Kaiser plan for my wife and kid (1!) costs literally 25k a year. Of that I pay about 7k out of pocket.
If I had a 10k a month medicare plan and my employer covered a similar percentage amount Id be *way*, *way* better off. Even if they were cheap and only covered half Id still be better off. If they paid none and gave me a measly 5k raise after they pushed the entire cost of health insurance onto me I'd still be better off.
If you crunch the numbers you will see this benefits most families.
I lived in Australia for a bit and there healthcare was so much better than ours it was laughable. They spend less per capita too because 30% of the taxes to pay healthcare don't go to health insurance company "administrative fees."
but the plan wont be a 10k plan..it will be a 10k per person plan
the cost of care is the issue...that is why insurance cost so much...because care costs a lot...
and remember M4A will cover "all", yet you have less than 1/3 of the population actually paying federal income/payroll taxes
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