CA Dems Please Chime In: 2020; Kamala Harris, Issues (racist, Clinton, March)

[V8 Vega]

Who's Andrew Yang?

[NoMoreSnowForMe]

Originally Posted by dcisive

I can't wait to see the landslide that is going to occur in this next election. The Demo's sunk their own ship with this whole absurd divisive invented impeachment tactic. They just couldn't stand the fact he beat their precious corrupt Hillary. If there ever was an investigation into her antics let alone both Biden's it would be ground breaking. But of course the Demo's did their level best to dissuade that occurring. If we knew the half of it with those characters, anything Trump did would seem like small potatoes. But it is truly remarkable how well the propaganda machine works on behalf of the Demos. The Nazi's Goebbles set the stage for how it's done and they took a few pages from his book to be sure. Our media is more than worthless for truth but most suck it right up. Ole George Soros continues to write his fat checks to support it all. Nice........

Impeachment had to happen. For the history books. To let the world know we know Trump's behavior is wrong and we won't condone it. It doesn't mean he'll get convicted by the senate, but it did need to happen.

It won't change the votes one way or another.

[NoMoreSnowForMe]

Originally Posted by Tulemutt

Now I know you don’t think Trump is “experienced enough to be the leader of the free world” either ... let alone mentally stable and safe, competent, and ethical. So, unlikely as it may be that Yang wins the nomination, I hope you’ll consider the relative gamble and vote accordingly.

Yang is, as you observe, a “nice guy”. So there’s ethical basis for his being more suited than Trump. But Yang’s also smart. Really intelligent. Smart enough to surround himself with competent experience ... unlike Trump who promised to pick “the very best people” who ALL turned out to be either crooks, liars and cheats and nutjobs like himself - or they didn’t last long in their jobs.

Not all Yang’s positions are yet fully thought through and refined. But the guy is seriously on the right tracks like no other candidate.

Oh, he's definitely better than Trump, but can you say he's awe-inspiring as an example of a leader of the free world? Hardly. He's a fun guy you expect to see at a seminar or a Ted Talk giving a speech.

My point is that the DNC really needs to cultivate candidates who are awe-inspiring. And the congress needs to change election laws that limit campaign donations. Nobody should be able to buy an election and rich people who run are buying their own elections, let alone be allowed to take money from special interests. I'd love to see a candidate who really represents someone like me.

[NoMoreSnowForMe]

Originally Posted by Finper

Come on over to the red side we’re nice. We won’t yell or berate you if you want to vote blue we’re used to it in.Ca.

LOL, I'm a moderate dem and I've voted republican, depending on the candidate. But you know Trump was a bad man for the job. You knew it when you voted for him. It was an "anti" vote, just like mine have been lately.

Don't you think we should sit down and start being sane with each other and start compromising? Take the reality TV show out of the white house?

It's funny, but it's really obvious that I'm a moderate when you look at my two best friends - one is a republican who voted for Trump and hates the Obamas, the other is a staunch liberal who will vote for anyone as long as it's someone who can beat Trump. They couldn't be farther apart politically. One will listen to a little bit of a different opinion (the republican), the other will not listen to any other opinion, such as not voting for Biden because I just don't like him.

We need more John McCains. Heck, I even voted for Schwartzenegger and thought he did a decent job, considering the state legislature tied his hands on a lot of things he wanted to do.

I wish we could sit down at the table and be reasonable. And listen to a different view, try to understand what people want on both sides. Compromise. This anti everything is exhausting.

[Tulemutt]

Originally Posted by NoMoreSnowForMe

Oh, he's definitely better than Trump, but can you say he's awe-inspiring as an example of a leader of the free world? Hardly. He's a fun guy you expect to see at a seminar or a Ted Talk giving a speech.

My point is that the DNC really needs to cultivate candidates who are awe-inspiring. And the congress needs to change election laws that limit campaign donations. Nobody should be able to buy an election and rich people who run are buying their own elections, let alone be allowed to take money from special interests. I'd love to see a candidate who really represents someone like me.

I agree the DNC - well - sucks. On the other hand, what “awe inspiring” persons are they ignoring?

I agree also that Yang is the kind of fun guy you’d expect to see at a TED talk ... good casting on your part ... then again, not sure that disqualifies him given the competition of Trump.

Personally, Yang is not my first interest. Sanders is. And Klobuchar is third. Sanders is “mad as hell and not going to take it anymore” for the past 50 some years, lol. Klobuchar is far from “awe-inspiring” - but she is simply solidly sensible and competent for the job. So here I am watching:
1. A “mad as hell” March hare ...
2. A smart, visionary, optimistic intellectual with a great sense of humor ...
3. An uninspiring, intelligent, sensible, competent, experienced executive politician.

As 2sleepy said: a labradoodle would be better than Trump ... so any of 1, 2, or 3 will as well.

... or the damn labradoodle.

[CA4Now]

Originally Posted by Tulemutt

Personally, Yang is not my first interest. Sanders is.

He's too old, Mutt. He just had a heart attack. Too much of a risk. And we can't afford "free college" for everyone. My God, we can't even get our homeless people off the street and into shelters.

[Tulemutt]

Originally Posted by CA4Now

He's too old, Mutt. He just had a heart attack. Too much of a risk. And we can't afford "free college" for everyone. My God, we can't even get our homeless people off the street and into shelters.

I am sensitive to your concerns, CA. But I became a Sanders fan about 20 years ago and it’s hard to let go of the habit of appreciating such sincerity and steady, unwavering good intentions ... let alone his fire-in-the-belly. I don’t agree with him across the board at all, though. I’m not a socialist at heart. I simply recognize the necessity of socializing some aspects of our culture given the management needs of large populations. ... And I don’t see our polarized culture jumping tracks to dominant socialism under Sanders or anyone else. Medical care: yes, socialized! Destroying our corporate funded elections: yes. ...

As for the heart attack:
1. Not too concerned given the common fix he has been provided and its track record in modern medicine
2. Who he would pick for a running mate would clinch or break the deal for me

Too old? Generally speaking: yes. But there are exceptions. I do see him as extraordinary in his mental and physical health in spite of the heart attack ... and the wisdom that can come with age can be exceptional given health to support it.

Free college is not one of my favorite planks ... um, to say the least. As far as I am concerned the value of college, as college education has evolved, is pretty much a flushable 4-8 years. Making it free just doesn’t polish that turd ... However, your conflation with the cost of getting homeless off the streets I do not share. I don’t think solving the costs of homelessness needs to be solely a federal burden - nor be a budget-buster.

But Yang’s visions and creativity are refreshing. They need some work - but definitely on track.

Klobuchar? What’s not to like about someone sane, smart and steady, strong and sensible? Liberal or conservative matters little given those qualities in leadership.

[2sleepy]

Originally Posted by CA4Now

He's too old, Mutt. He just had a heart attack. Too much of a risk. And we can't afford "free college" for everyone. My God, we can't even get our homeless people off the street and into shelters.

I agree, I am so sick of being promised 'free everything' I could scream. I really liked Elizabeth Warren until she started trying to out Bernie Bernie on the free stuff list. And I can't stand Sander's finger wagging band conducting gestures, I'm not sure why it bothers me but it really does.

[Tulemutt]

Originally Posted by 2sleepy

I agree, I am so sick of being promised 'free everything' I could scream. I really liked Elizabeth Warren until she started trying to out Bernie Bernie on the free stuff list. And I can't stand Sander's finger wagging band conducting gestures, I'm not sure why it bothers me but it really does.

Lol. “Band conductor.” Good one. Fits. Yeah, he rubs a lot of people that way. I enjoy it

“Free” whatever isn’t ever free. Including health care. That said: we, as individuals and as a society, can’t prosper without good health. So, it’s not negotiable.

College is something we don’t need. It is arguably a drag on the economy.

Brings us to “free money” (Yang’s Freedom Dividend). Those “dividend” payments will be derived from several sources - including elimination of some “free” socialized benefits (currently often abused) that will become opt-in/out options ... and from VAT on transactions that are currently enriching oligarchic capitalists at the expense of larger society. The concept will flood cash largely into smaller, community commerce and value. That’s a win-win ... I’ve been on the UBI bandwagon also for about 20+ years ... and I have been surprised and frustrated by Bernie’s rejection of the concept.

As for Liz Warren - never have taken to her personally. Not one bit. Maybe just like 2sleepy’s reaction to Sanders.

In any case, and back to Harris: I thought she’d do better / longer. I’m not particularly disappointed by her early exit though. I do suspect she’s got an eye out for Bill Barr’s job as much as a possible VP slot. Like her or not, she’s smart and capable ... just not visionary.

[2sleepy]

Originally Posted by Tulemutt

Lol. “Band conductor.” Good one. Fits. Yeah, he rubs a lot of people that way. I enjoy it

“Free” whatever isn’t ever free. Including health care. That said: we, as individuals and as a society, can’t prosper without good health. So, it’s not negotiable.

College is something we don’t need. It is arguably a drag on the economy.

Brings us to “free money” (Yang’s Freedom Dividend). Those “dividend” payments will be derived from several sources - including elimination of some “free” socialized benefits (currently often abused) that will become opt-in/out options ... and from VAT on transactions that are currently enriching oligarchic capitalists at the expense of larger society. The concept will flood cash largely into smaller, community commerce and value. That’s a win-win ... I’ve been on the UBI bandwagon also for about 20+ years ... and I have been surprised and frustrated by Bernie’s rejection of the concept.

As for Liz Warren - never have taken to her personally. Not one bit. Maybe just like 2sleepy’s reaction to Sanders.

In any case, and back to Harris: I thought she’d do better / longer. I’m not particularly disappointed by her early exit though. I do suspect she’s got an eye out for Bill Barr’s job as much as a possible VP slot. Like her or not, she’s smart and capable ... just not visionary.

Kamala is an opportunist and her priniciples seem to be determied by which way the wind is blowing. I watched her as SF District Attorney and then as California AG.

• She fought to prevent the early release of inmate firefighters because it would cost the state too much money to replace them with civilian firefighters.
• She fought to keep a man in prison who was factually innococent attempting to appeal the release for two years after the court ordered him released
• As SF DA she enacted a policy of arresting parents of chronically truant students and hid the fact from defense attorney's that the a crooked lab tech had likely not tested hundreds of drug samples but instead had taken the drugs herself tainting at least 900 cases
• She was against the legalization of marijuana in 2014 but changed her mind when public opinion no longer supported that position
• She could easily have prosecuted One West run by Mnuchin but decided against it, just like she declined to prosecute any of the California players responsible for the recession.
• She ran as being against the death penalty but supported it in court.