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Old 11-19-2019, 01:42 PM
 
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...Most of these students come not with the primary aim of studying in USA but to use that as a springboard to get H1 visa and then green card. That is why they are willing to pay full tuition. Now that we have curtailed the H1b visas the attraction for US studies is less.
Why is this a bad thing? These aren't illiterate peasants scampering up the banks of the Rio Grande. They hail from the best high-schools abroad, with strong family backing. They major in things like engineering. They go on to join university faculty, start-ups, tech firms, research organizations of various stripes. They're leaders in patents, in scholarly publications, in new ideas. Wouldn't it make sense to invite such persons with open-arms, with a ready pathway from F-1 visa, to H1b, green card and citizenship?

 
Old 11-19-2019, 01:43 PM
 
Location: Raleigh NC
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How so?

"The more than one million international students currently enrolled at US colleges and universities contributed nearly $41 billion to the US economy, and supported 458,290 jobs during the 2018-2019 academic year, a new NAFSA report finds."
so how does a 10% drop in enrollment play such an outsized role? 25% of economic activity, and 14% of jobs?
 
Old 11-19-2019, 01:48 PM
 
Location: Raleigh NC
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Let us re-iterate: "There's many variables, but largely it's been the policies and rhetoric from the current administration that's really driven the numbers to move in that direction"
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"But the most significant factor is politics, said Jack Huls, vice president for student services at Peninsula College."
the President of the same College:

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Robins said that several factors contributed to the decline, including the US dollar being at nearly historic highs compared to other currencies. This may have encouraged international students to choose other countries over the United States, he said, as it poses a better value proposition for them.
by the way, it's a Community College with 2000-2500 students.
 
Old 11-19-2019, 02:00 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Well, they must be feeling it in DC--somebody is trying to get them back. International students pay higher tuition and do not usually get financial aid. So it is quite lucrative. And US students are increasingly doing semesters and studying abroad (and taking their $ with them). I don't think it is mostly due to currency. The admin has put out xenophobic vibes, there are idiots in the country telling foreigners to go back to their own country, rudely telling people to speak English, etc. The shootings probably do not help.

"...Marie Royce, assistant secretary of state for educational and cultural affairs, told reporters on a conference call this past week that the Trump administration is taking aggressive steps to promote U.S. higher education to potential students overseas.“We are currently working on a high-quality global marketing campaign,” Royce said, to reinforce “the message that we welcome international students..."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local...8c2_story.html
 
Old 11-19-2019, 02:28 PM
 
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Well, they must be feeling it in DC--somebody is trying to get them back. International students pay higher tuition and do not usually get financial aid. So it is quite lucrative. And US students are increasingly doing semesters and studying abroad (and taking their $ with them). I don't think it is mostly due to currency. The admin has put out xenophobic vibes, there are idiots in the country telling foreigners to go back to their own country, rudely telling people to speak English, etc. The shootings probably do not help.

"...Marie Royce, assistant secretary of state for educational and cultural affairs, told reporters on a conference call this past week that the Trump administration is taking aggressive steps to promote U.S. higher education to potential students overseas.“We are currently working on a high-quality global marketing campaign,” Royce said, to reinforce “the message that we welcome international students..."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local...8c2_story.html
Lol, the US by far is among the most tolerate, especially compared to where many of these students are coming from.

It is laughable for students, say from China, to be wary of some sort of rhetoric from the US given how intolerable and oppressing China is towards many groups.
 
Old 11-19-2019, 02:53 PM
 
Location: Metro Detroit, Michigan
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Good. The price should come down and college can be affordable again. Everything lefties touch becomes unaffordable for the average consumer, and college is a perfect example of this. Aside from that, college is a breeding ground for radical left wing identity politics and socialist values. No need to support or enable that. Let them start their socialist revolution on their own dime.

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Old 11-19-2019, 02:55 PM
 
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There's a perception among international students that getting a visa for the United States is more difficult, and they increasingly feel unsafe in America, NAFSA survey data show.

"It's not only the anti-immigrant rhetoric being expressed by this administration, there's also increasing concern with regard to gun violence in this country," said Banks. "There's been a number of shootings and that gets reported worldwide, and parents certainly take all of this into account when they are thinking about where they want to send their children to study."


According to the article, the students apparently say visas are more difficult, and there's too much gun violence.

Didn't see anything about Trump rhetoric there from the students... that was the educator's take.
 
Old 11-19-2019, 02:59 PM
 
Location: Unperson Everyman Land
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Let us re-iterate: "There's many variables, but largely it's been the policies and rhetoric from the current administration that's really driven the numbers to move in that direction"
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"But the most significant factor is politics, said Jack Huls, vice president for student services at Peninsula College."

Also it didn't say it started in 2016, it simply said how much money has been lost between 2016 and 2019 at one example university (26% drop).
Oh, so you are saying that Trump is responsible for the current economic condition of the United States?
 
Old 11-19-2019, 03:04 PM
 
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the President of the same College:



by the way, it's a Community College with 2000-2500 students.



Quick question Finn!

With less international demand for the limited seats in US college classrooms, doesn't that mean that college will ultimately be more affordable to US students?
 
Old 11-19-2019, 03:06 PM
 
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"orange man bad"
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