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Old 11-20-2019, 05:52 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Quick question Finn!

With less international demand for the limited seats in US college classrooms, doesn't that mean that college will ultimately be more affordable to US students?
You asking me to explain your argument? If you think that is the case, then why dont you explain yourself.

 
Old 11-20-2019, 05:54 AM
 
Location: Old Dominion
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Look, I can't stand Trump, but I also don't like when people post numbers and stats and use those stats and numbers to paint with a broad brush and use it for conjecture for their side. Now if the rhetoric was a big factor and the perceived difficulty of getting student visas, wouldn't it stand to reason that you would notice an uptick in people trying to get their sons and daughters into US universities. If US universities are still the cream of the crop and a shining beacon to the advancement of young people's lives across the world, then why wouldn't there be a sudden rush to enroll them before there is a restriction on student visas?

I would like to look into this and see if there is a ballooning effect on birth rate trends from some of our large sender countries (India and China). I don't like when people use data to fit a narrative, I will call it out from the left and right.

https://www.insidehighered.com/admis...e-graduate-and

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-46558562
 
Old 11-20-2019, 05:54 AM
 
Location: Florida
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How is it resulting in empty seats? Those are filled by American applicants. Ever heard of waiting lists? Every spring, students not outright declined but placed on waiting lists sit on pins and needles hoping to get into their 'dream school.'
Apparently it didn't pan out that way.
 
Old 11-20-2019, 06:06 AM
 
Location: NJ/NY
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Apparently it didn't pan out that way.
Show me where it says that.

I showed you right in the article where it says that the loss is due to the fact that the schools have to charge Americans less than foreign students. You never showed me where seats went empty, because that is not what is happening. It is just what you would like people to believe, so they will think this is a bad thing instead of a good one.

Just like “The jobs Americans wont do.”
 
Old 11-20-2019, 06:12 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Apparently it didn't pan out that way.
Must not have been selective universities. Selective universities have no problem filling their seats, and usually have the opposite problem; they enroll too many causing a housing shortage and difficulty in getting enrolled in classes one needs thereby lengthening the time to graduate which just steeps students in higher student loan debt.
 
Old 11-20-2019, 06:24 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Must not have been selective universities. Selective universities have no problem filling their seats, and usually have the opposite problem; they enroll too many causing a housing shortage and difficulty in getting enrolled in classes one needs thereby lengthening the time to graduate which just steeps students in higher student loan debt.
Better schools dont want to fill seats just for the sake of filling them, especially when the kids filling them are not up to the school standards.
 
Old 11-20-2019, 06:27 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Show me where it says that.

I showed you right in the article where it says that the loss is due to the fact that the schools have to charge Americans less than foreign students. You never showed me where seats went empty, because that is not what is happening. It is just what you would like people to believe, so they will think this is a bad thing instead of a good one.
No, you didn't show anything showing the loss is due to it, you only showed something showing out of State kids pay more, which has always been the case.

The reasons were explained: Rhetoric from the WH, gun violence, visa issues, and maybe I could add that some international students are probably being priced out, since there seems to be no end to the price increase in US colleges.

US has a bad rep out there nowadays.
 
Old 11-20-2019, 06:27 AM
 
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Better schools dont want to fill seats just for the sake of filling them, especially when the kids filling them are not up to the school standards.
Actually, they do. Their jobs depend on it. Declining enrollment means declining faculty and staff. And like I said, the kids on the waitlist can be just as qualified, but lack the "diversity" many universities strive to achieve. White suburban HS student? You have no "hook."
 
Old 11-20-2019, 06:28 AM
 
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Even the socialist of the world are scared to send theirs kids to the radicalized American Universities ...
 
Old 11-20-2019, 06:31 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Actually, they do. Their jobs depend on it. Declining enrollment means declining faculty and staff.
That's how its panning out. Less money = lower budgets. You can pretend it is not happening, and repeat it 50 times (like you always do), but it wont make it true.
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