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Old 11-20-2019, 07:31 AM
 
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Originally Posted by Finn_Jarber View Post
Yes, you guessed it, its Trump's fault.


https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/educ...ing/ar-BBWZHfW

The continued decline in international student enrollment since the fall of 2016 has cost the US economy $11.8 billion and more than 65,000 jobs, according to estimates from NAFSA: Association of International Educators, an international association of professional educators.

"There's many variables, but largely it's been the policies and rhetoric from the current administration that's really driven the numbers to move in that direction," said Rachel Banks, director of public policy at NAFSA.
Well that is terrible.

I regret the legions of Mainland Chinese are so terrified of the fat clown that they are not going to earn their degrees over here (hopefully their despotic leaders are even more so).

But I find it kinda funny that the same people who scorn universities for charging too much are now fretting that they are not earning enough.

 
Old 11-20-2019, 07:33 AM
 
Location: NJ/NY
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University of Iowa has enrollment down, but it's been falling since 2014-2015.

2010 – 2,982
2011 – 3,463
2012 – 3,876
2013 – 4,049
2014 – 4,360
2015 – 4,540
2016 - 4,300
2017 - 4,011
2018 - 3,665
2019 - 3,163

https://international.uiowa.edu/about/stats/isss

Really calls into question the partisanship in the quote from your first post,
We are working with an admissions specialist now. I have seen the charts. On average, schools peaked around 2010, 2011, and have steadily come down from that peak, but not by significant numbers. But whether you are comparing 2019 or 2010, enrollment is up significantly since 2000, very significantly since 1987, and astronomically since 1940.
 
Old 11-20-2019, 07:38 AM
 
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We are working with an admissions specialist now. I have seen the charts. On average, schools peaked around 2010, 2011, and have steadily come down from that peak, but not by significant numbers. But whether you are comparing 2019 or 2010, enrollment is up significantly since 2000, very significantly since 1987, and astronomically since 1940.
Right, re-reading the msm article they cherry pick 2 schools and for the one they very subtly only talk about the decrease the last 2 years but as shown in the Iowa example, it's been an ongoing phenomenon.

Frankly, there may be some truth to the theme but it's being presented in a fairly dishonest manner meant to play up the angle they're trying to portray.

I mean, when an article talks about countrywide decreases but then DOESN'T SHOW THE NUMBERS, anyone looking at it objectively should come away thinking that someone is either a really poor reporter or just trying to tell you part of the story.
 
Old 11-20-2019, 07:41 AM
 
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How so?

"The more than one million international students currently enrolled at US colleges and universities contributed nearly $41 billion to the US economy, and supported 458,290 jobs during the 2018-2019 academic year, a new NAFSA report finds."

Is university enrollment down? Have any universities gone out of business? Less foreign students means less illegal visa overstays.
 
Old 11-20-2019, 07:44 AM
 
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New international students per school year
2013/14 270,128
2014/15 293,766
2015/16 300,743
2016/17 290,836
2017/18 271,738
2018/19 269,383

1) How does that small loss in the number of international students "cost the US economy $11.8 billion and more than 65,000 jobs,"

2) Is it a bad thing that more US citizens can be accepted?

So 2017 and 2018 were about the same as 2013. Maybe 2014-2016 was a temporary spike?
 
Old 11-20-2019, 07:52 AM
 
Location: Raleigh NC
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Better schools dont want to fill seats just for the sake of filling them, especially when the kids filling them are not up to the school standards.
names of schools, and show the trend of admissions, please.

as someone going through the college selection/application process right now, I know they all publish their acceptance rate and incoming student educational scores.
 
Old 11-20-2019, 07:53 AM
 
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So 2017 and 2018 were about the same as 2013. Maybe 2014-2016 was a temporary spike?

Ah, people love to cite studies. Studies, studies, and more studies.

The problem is they never actually read and analyze the studies.
 
Old 11-20-2019, 07:53 AM
 
Location: Raleigh NC
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it is VERY true that a school like CS-Northridge (mentioned in the article) get to charge out-of-state and foreign students a vastly higher sum than in-state...

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California State University—Northridge is a public institution that was founded in 1958. It has a total undergraduate enrollment of 34,900, and the setting is Urban. It utilizes a semester-based academic calendar. California State University—Northridge's ranking in the 2020 edition of Best Colleges is Regional Universities West, #49. Its in-state tuition and fees are $6,972; out-of-state tuition and fees are $17,622.
in fall of 2018, 8% of students were non-resident alien (~3,000). Lord knows what they were able to charge them such that the REDUCTION in foreign students make up 26% of their revenue. Of course, it's hard to believe that somehow their total budget is just $25MM ... about $714 per student.

See here's where we talk about reading linked material, and considering its accuracy. Whoever wrote the article, Finn, and everyone else who parrots it, fail to perform such a simple fact-check. There is NO WAY a $6.5MM revenue loss was 26% of their revenue.

With such an obvious and basic fact-checking calculation lacking, how can anyone take NAFSA's other claims - like "for every 7 students 3 jobs are created" - seriously?
 
Old 11-20-2019, 08:15 AM
 
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New international students per school year
2013/14 270,128
2014/15 293,766
2015/16 300,743
2016/17 290,836
2017/18 271,738
2018/19 269,383

1) How does that small loss in the number of international students "cost the US economy $11.8 billion and more than 65,000 jobs,"

2) Is it a bad thing that more US citizens can be accepted?
Dang, sorry I missed this post before! Hope I can +1 you.

Yeah, my hunch was correct. The original article didn't want to show this information for a reason, it wasn't just poor journalism but rather crafting a narrative.
 
Old 11-20-2019, 10:25 AM
 
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How so?

"The more than one million international students currently enrolled at US colleges and universities contributed nearly $41 billion to the US economy, and supported 458,290 jobs during the 2018-2019 academic year, a new NAFSA report finds."
I keep seeing different figures but I dont see how 1 million international students (roughly 5% of college students), college students, many of whom are getting US grants and scholarships, research assistantships, etc. are contributing that much to the economy. In my experiences college students dont spend much money. Often dont drive, living on campus, living in dorms and eating via a meal ticket. Much of which is paid for via. grants, scholarships and loans. Nor how 7 international students generate 3 jobs.

Funny I cant find anything on how local US citizen students contribute to the economy or how there enrollment fluctuations affect the economy and job market.

Reminds me of all the articles proclaiming how illegal aliens stimulate our economy and what devastation would occur if we stop illegal immigration..

Perhaps you can find the actual numbers and how they are derived. How much international students vs. US citizen students spend on food, entertainment, housing, tuition, books, beer haha. How many it takes to create a job.
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