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It's amazing what TDS can do to one's mind. The mental gymnastics it takes to take the phrase "We would like you to do us a favor" while mentioning the 2016 election and the Bidens in the entirety of the call and definitely saying that constitutes a bribe is a real doozy especially when juxtaposing it against Biden clearly stating you're not getting the billion dollars unless you fire the prosecutor.
The contempt/obstruction of Congress is even more laughable. Schiff and Nadler use their privilege as heads of their committees to deny the subpoenas of Republican witnesses but the president is obstructing Congress by using his constitutionally afforded executive privilege...lol. The Democrats didn't even challenge the president's use of executive privilege in the courts which would have actually given them some grounds for bringing that charge if the courts ruled against Trump and he still refused to allow those witnesses to testify. But yeah, it's the president who is "shredding the Constitution". Lol.
Trump's strategy is to delay, obfuscate and deny. Democrats won't play the endless appeals process that Trump's using to stall the inevitable.
Besides, in an investigation, the accused has no rights to call his own witnesses. He's being investigated.
When the investigation is complete and it goes to trial (Senate) the accused gets to have his lawyers call any and all witnesses he wants.
It's Trump supporters who don't have a basic understanding of the process of an investigation, trial and conviction or acquittal and you're doing your best to sell the false narrative to the rest of the social network even though the basic constitutional format of an investigation/trial are very clear and the process is easy to understand.
Why the endless Gaslighting on your part?
As the saying goes: those who don't know their history are doomed to repeat it.
The assertion that Trump only asked about Burisma and Joe/Hunter Biden to help himself politically misses the point in a huge way.
You know what's going to help Trump? An effort to impeach him over a highly exaggerated accusation.
The histrionics over Trump asking Zelensky to look into the issue and it triggering an impeachment is what is going to make Trump win in 2020.
It's the same thing with Hillary Clinton in 2016. Hillary tried to wave off the e-mail scandal, and the DOJ and FBI did everything they could to avoid charging her or anyone else with having a private email server and having classified information on it and then deleting 33,000 emails while under subpoena then destroying it.
Nobody really cares about emails; they do care about the appearance of a cover-up.
Trump didn't hide the ball. He authorized the release of the transcript and has insisted he had nothing to hide. Others feel differently, that there's evidence of wrongdoing, but they're overplaying their hand. Meanwhile, people would like to know what the good explanation is for Hunter Biden to have been on the board of Burisma making all this money and why Joe Biden stuck his neck out to have the prosecutor investigating Burisma fired.
Democrats can ring the alarm all they want on Trump, but once they kick this to the Senate, they're going to need to come up with the rationale for that. And doing the "there is no evidence of wrongdoing" thing when they haven't bothered to investigate it is going to seem too cute-by-half and it's going to pick off just enough voters to give Trump the victory in 2020. Because all Trump has to keep saying is "they tried to impeach me for doing what Joe Biden bragged about doing on camera".
Yep....DOA....I personally cannot wait to see what Adam Schiff does when he is subpoenaed to testify before the Senate
He'll go ahead and do his duty, unlike the dozen of Trump's troops who refused. I guess they or Trump were too afraid to risk being caught lying? What else can you think about them?
As the saying goes: those who don't know their history are doomed to repeat it.
The assertion that Trump only asked about Burisma and Joe/Hunter Biden to help himself politically misses the point in a huge way.
You know what's going to help Trump? An effort to impeach him over a highly exaggerated accusation.
The histrionics over Trump asking Zelensky to look into the issue and it triggering an impeachment is what is going to make Trump win in 2020.
It's the same thing with Hillary Clinton in 2016. Hillary tried to wave off the e-mail scandal, and the DOJ and FBI did everything they could to avoid charging her or anyone else with having a private email server and having classified information on it and then deleting 33,000 emails while under subpoena then destroying it.
Nobody really cares about emails; they do care about the appearance of a cover-up.
Trump didn't hide the ball. He authorized the release of the transcript and has insisted he had nothing to hide. Others feel differently, that there's evidence of wrongdoing, but they're overplaying their hand. Meanwhile, people would like to know what the good explanation is for Hunter Biden to have been on the board of Burisma making all this money and why Joe Biden stuck his neck out to have the prosecutor investigating Burisma fired.
Democrats can ring the alarm all they want on Trump, but once they kick this to the Senate, they're going to need to come up with the rationale for that. And doing the "there is no evidence of wrongdoing" thing when they haven't bothered to investigate it is going to seem too cute-by-half and it's going to pick off just enough voters to give Trump the victory in 2020. Because all Trump has to keep saying is "they tried to impeach for doing what Joe Biden bragged about doing on camera".
If that's the case he could have avoided the whole process by giving the Intelligence committee the official, relevant documents requested by the committee and not expressly forbid his SOS and COS and Bolton from testifying or providing any information.
So it should take you seconds to list them. I am waiting.
Oh, make no mistake, this president has committed many wrong, unethical and morally reprehensible acts against America and Americans. He has failed miserably in living up to his oath of office to preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.
At this time the one that has finally brought us to this serious point of impeachment is his egregious decision that our national sovereignty is less significant than his own political performance.
The solicitation of a foreign national or government to help a campaign IS a crime. All you have to do is ASK and it is a crime. The law is that foreign nationals are not allowed to participate in our elections and that includes campaigns.
For impeachment no quid pro quo is required. This kind of corruption that sullies the interest of the United States based on the President's own political campaign is a classic high crime and misdemeanor and exactly the kind of abuse of office that the framers had in mind when they gave the House the power to impeach and the Senate the power to remove.
The only question is, are there going to be 20 Republican Senators who are concerned enough about national security to do the right thing for this country?
Last edited by corpgypsy; 12-10-2019 at 11:04 AM..
Reason: punctuation repair
Bribing a foreign official to investigate your political rivals is illegal in this country. And really bad...mkay?
Is it? Is there truly anything wrong in asking a foreign country to investigate corruption in their country before handing them millions of US taxpayer dollars? Are we simply supposed to hand over taxpayer dollars to corrupt governments?
Bribing a foreign official (with US taxpayer dollars) to drop a corruption investigation into a company that employs your son certainly is....
If that's the case he could have avoided the whole process by giving the Intelligence committee the official, relevant documents requested by the committee and not expressly forbid his SOS and COS and Bolton from testifying or providing any information.
Answer me that?
Simple. Trump is under no obligation to help Democrats build an impeachment case against him, and more importantly, they don't have some generic entitlement to "official, relevant documents" just to strengthen their questionable accusation of wrongdoing.
From the outset, Democrats have tried to organize this inquiry in a way that maximizes their position. I think that's because the assertion on its own isn't very compelling, but believe what you want. The bottom line is, nobody's obligated to play ball if they're not going to be fair about it. So if Democrats can corral the votes to impeach, fine, do it. But Trump and the rest of the Republicans don't have to go along with it. And Democrats understand that, which is why they aren't pushing the issue of enforcing subpoenas.
It's better to just take what they can get and try to play Trump's cold shoulder as evidence that he has something to hide. Trump was investigated for two years by Mueller's team and didn't stop a single person from being interviewed, so he isn't the type that is worried about someone saying unflattering things about him. I think he's exerting executive privilege because he knows what this is.
As the saying goes: those who don't know their history are doomed to repeat it.
The assertion that Trump only asked about Burisma and Joe/Hunter Biden to help himself politically misses the point in a huge way.
You know what's going to help Trump? An effort to impeach him over a highly exaggerated accusation.
The histrionics over Trump asking Zelensky to look into the issue and it triggering an impeachment is what is going to make Trump win in 2020.
It's the same thing with Hillary Clinton in 2016. Hillary tried to wave off the e-mail scandal, and the DOJ and FBI did everything they could to avoid charging her or anyone else with having a private email server and having classified information on it and then deleting 33,000 emails while under subpoena then destroying it.
Nobody really cares about emails; they do care about the appearance of a cover-up.
Trump didn't hide the ball. He authorized the release of the transcript and has insisted he had nothing to hide. Others feel differently, that there's evidence of wrongdoing, but they're overplaying their hand. Meanwhile, people would like to know what the good explanation is for Hunter Biden to have been on the board of Burisma making all this money and why Joe Biden stuck his neck out to have the prosecutor investigating Burisma fired.
Democrats can ring the alarm all they want on Trump, but once they kick this to the Senate, they're going to need to come up with the rationale for that. And doing the "there is no evidence of wrongdoing" thing when they haven't bothered to investigate it is going to seem too cute-by-half and it's going to pick off just enough voters to give Trump the victory in 2020. Because all Trump has to keep saying is "they tried to impeach me for doing what Joe Biden bragged about doing on camera".
All of that. Every single thing, was after the whistle blower came forward and he was already busted. The actions of a guilty man without question.
Trump will be impeached and that will be a stain on him for the rest of his life and history. And that has Trump very worried. He wants to be seen as perfect and the best President in history and this will destroy it and him. He cannot have that. Make no bones about it, Trump is guilty as hell and he knows it.
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