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Old 04-30-2020, 07:08 PM
 
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The OP is right, many of the things mentioned in the post, will never be back, (concerts, pro sports in stadiums, anything where large crowds of people gather), this will destroy more than we assume too!


Of course, you also have to think about all the sectors and industries that rely on touring concerts, pro sports in stadiums, festivals, etc. LOTS of people rely on these things for making money...all that will be gone as a result too.


'Dominoes falling' is really a great analogy to what it will be like, Just think about how much of a loss pro sports not playing in stadiums will have on all those cities that host pro sports teams!! All the hotels, restaurants, bars, clubs, car rental places, etc..they will ALL be impacted.


Then you have all the amusement parks, I know most are not opening this year at all, but its doubtful if they open again, (after being shut down for an entire season), NO company could survive that, without going into massive debt.


I think it will be MUCH MUCH worse than we think, because Im sure there will be losses that were not expected as a result of this too.
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Old 04-30-2020, 07:11 PM
 
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That would not work, Ive heard so many people say the same thing the past couple days, and I asked them, whats to prevent an infected person (who is showing no symptoms), from mingling in with the healthy crowd, who just wants to get back to work and do what they want?

It could even be someone who has not been tested, (that doesnt even know they are a carrier), they could be infecting people left and right out in the workforce when its opened up!

How do you prevent this?
You don't, actually. You cannot hide most people from this virus. It is going to spread until there is no longer any place for it to spread to.

You can try to quarantine those people who are most at risk, in nursing homes. But you cannot quarantine the large numbers that you seem to want to.

In fact, there is literally nobody that you are looking to as an "expert" who is presenting any clear proposal for doing that. It is not even being proposed.
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Old 04-30-2020, 07:14 PM
 
Location: annandale, va & slidell, la
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Did I say anything about staying home all day? Wearing masks and keeping a social distance are things you do when you are around people.

One of the most striking things I remember about living in Japan was how, on any given day, a good 20% of the people around me would be wearing masks. Little kids on up to old people. No big deal. They were trying to avoid getting microbes, and avoid giving them. Which is the height of civilized behavior, IMO.
You show exemplary compliance. Your local party officials will surely provide extra rations and a better housing unit.
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Old 04-30-2020, 07:29 PM
 
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You don't, actually. You cannot hide most people from this virus. It is going to spread until there is no longer any place for it to spread to.

You can try to quarantine those people who are most at risk, in nursing homes. But you cannot quarantine the large numbers that you seem to want to.

In fact, there is literally nobody that you are looking to as an "expert" who is presenting any clear proposal for doing that. It is not even being proposed.
My states restrictions are getting tougher, new laws go into effect on May 11th to make it mandatory to wear a mask in public.



My company is closing 800 stores on May 18th (thru out the midwest) and we are one among the top 3 largest in our industry.



Our governor is on tv every night, telling us to "STOP THE SPREAD OF THE VIRUS".
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Old 04-30-2020, 07:51 PM
 
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My states restrictions are getting tougher, new laws go into effect on May 11th to make it mandatory to wear a mask in public.

My company is closing 800 stores on May 18th (thru out the midwest) and we are one among the top 3 largest in our industry.

Our governor is on tv every night, telling us to "STOP THE SPREAD OF THE VIRUS".
How does wearing masks "stop the spread of the virus".

Do you really believe that it does?

What state are you in and what is the name of your misinformation propogating governor?
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Old 04-30-2020, 11:19 PM
 
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The OP is right, many of the things mentioned in the post, will never be back, (concerts, pro sports in stadiums, anything where large crowds of people gather), this will destroy more than we assume too!


Of course, you also have to think about all the sectors and industries that rely on touring concerts, pro sports in stadiums, festivals, etc. LOTS of people rely on these things for making money...all that will be gone as a result too.


'Dominoes falling' is really a great analogy to what it will be like, Just think about how much of a loss pro sports not playing in stadiums will have on all those cities that host pro sports teams!! All the hotels, restaurants, bars, clubs, car rental places, etc..they will ALL be impacted.


Then you have all the amusement parks, I know most are not opening this year at all, but its doubtful if they open again, (after being shut down for an entire season), NO company could survive that, without going into massive debt.


I think it will be MUCH MUCH worse than we think, because Im sure there will be losses that were not expected as a result of this too.
Somebody here thinks they’re an expert! Thank GOD you aren’t in charge.
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Old 05-01-2020, 05:20 AM
 
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Life in the U.S. is going to be just as drab as it is in other countries.
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Old 05-01-2020, 05:34 AM
 
Location: NC
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So how Long should we stay closed?
First of all, we are not closed, we are slowed down, and slowly reopening.

But to your original question: It means the world will never be the same. Just like it changed forever after:
-9/11
-the Great Depression
-the 2009 economic crash

Etc....

Since 9/11, flying is different than it was before
After the depression, a generation always kept savings at hand (that generation is gone now, and here we are)
Since the 2007 crash, markets have stop-gap measures and automated triggers to stop trading


Just a few examples of many.
The point is just that this will change the way people interact going forward. How could it not? (No matter what your views on things are.)
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Old 05-01-2020, 09:42 AM
 
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First of all, we are not closed, we are slowed down, and slowly reopening.

But to your original question: It means the world will never be the same. Just like it changed forever after:
-9/11
-the Great Depression
-the 2009 economic crash

Etc....

Since 9/11, flying is different than it was before
After the depression, a generation always kept savings at hand (that generation is gone now, and here we are)
Since the 2007 crash, markets have stop-gap measures and automated triggers to stop trading


Just a few examples of many.
The point is just that this will change the way people interact going forward. How could it not? (No matter what your views on things are.)
Because having certain places permanently closed is not something most people will accept
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Old 05-01-2020, 09:58 AM
 
Location: Omaha, Nebraska
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First of all, we are not closed, we are slowed down, and slowly reopening.

But to your original question: It means the world will never be the same. Just like it changed forever after:
-9/11
-the Great Depression
-the 2009 economic crash

Etc....

Since 9/11, flying is different than it was before
After the depression, a generation always kept savings at hand (that generation is gone now, and here we are)
Since the 2007 crash, markets have stop-gap measures and automated triggers to stop trading


Just a few examples of many.
The point is just that this will change the way people interact going forward. How could it not? (No matter what your views on things are.)
Exactly. Right now it's hard to see how things will change going forward, but we can guess:

Telecommuting and distance learning becoming more accepted. Fewer business trips, but more online business meetings (why spend money to send an employee to a distant location when the same discussion can be held via Zoom?).

A move towards increased thrift and self-sufficiency in the general population. Less purchase of bling, but fatter bank accounts and fuller pantries than before COVID-19. More wariness of debt (especially consumer debt).

Some businesses that were struggling prior to the pandemic (shopping malls, movie theaters, etc.) may disappear, or survive in very limited numbers in only a few places.

More barriers to travel (particularly international travel). Boarding a plane may require wearing a mask and passing a temperature check. International travelers may need a Yellow Card documenting their immunization status (now required only for Yellow Fever). Visas may make a return. Some places may require international visitors to self-quarantine upon arrival.

More awareness of hygiene, particularly in the winter respiratory virus. Wearing a mask when out in public may become as acceptable/expected here as it now is in Asia. Public venues may have hand sanitizer stations provided for their customers' use.

We are now living in Interesting Times. It's hard to see the exact shape the post-COVID world will take, but we can know it won't be exactly like the one we knew in December 1919.

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