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Old 05-03-2020, 04:07 PM
 
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here in ohio, it is republicans not democrats that are lengthening the lockdowns.

 
Old 05-03-2020, 04:43 PM
 
Location: Texas
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LOL

I think they put Sanders back in. Biden is forced out and boom Sanders "saves the day."

LOL

https://www.businessinsider.com/form...egation-2020-4

Well...

At least you're not saying Hillary will be resurrected.

 
Old 05-03-2020, 07:16 PM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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Honestly, I don't know what effect COVID-19 will have on the Election. I could see it helping Trump. I could see it hurting Trump. If Trump spins his response as not a day late and a dollar short, he might be forgiven for all his previous transgressions by the shortsighted American voter. He'll obviously maintain his support among Trump supporters regardless.

The situation with the economy is not entirely Trump's fault (I generally vote Democrat by the way). The economy was going to take a hit no matter what. I'm of the opinion that Trump spent too much time ignoring/denying the seriousness of the circumstances. He came in a bit late to do something about it. The economy would still be damaged but not as badly. However, I think the average American sees this as black and white. They see Trump touting the economy all the time. Therefore, it is easy to make that connection that if "Good Economy is due to Trump then Bad Economy is due to Trump" regardless of the correlation between a president and the economy.

Another wild card is going to be how we vote come Election Day. Republicans are very good at showing up at polling places. Supposedly Democrats are better at mail-in voting (I can't back up either of those statements though - maybe there's a study about it). If those statements are true, if battleground states suppress the vote, Trump might eke out another win in PA, MI or WI and that might net him another four years.

Frankly, I think if COVID-19 didn't happen, I think Trump would have lost the election. I think the electorate in swing states are fed up with his rhetoric. His approval ratings were near 50/50 about 2-3 weeks into his disaster mitigation. They dipped back to near normal (about -10 points) and in the last few days, jumped back up to -7 points.
With all Trump has had work out or should I say not workout with the crisis, I would argue that he is in trouble. Polls are showing margin of error Biden wins in many key battlegrounds, even Florida as we see and hear many stories of how failed the stimulus checks and Payment Protection Plan was on rollout. Obama was lucky Obamacare rolled out the year before his potential second midterm, had he had it in 2012 he would have likely lost.

I say that when Trump has had many issues with the various rollouts in a critical time. Trump's 40% will defend him regardless but he needs more than that to win unless a credible third party is there with ballot access.
 
Old 05-03-2020, 07:24 PM
 
Location: Homeless
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It is no fantasy when the MEDIA which is 98% DEMOCRAT preaches doom and gloom 24/7 and Democrat politicians want to keep lengthening and lengthening the shutdown and economic collapse. All for political reasons. It is not about science nor health anymore.
You have have to watch the media to understand that Trump has no clue what he’s doing just listen to him.
 
Old 05-04-2020, 03:17 AM
 
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Exactly.


Most of them are secretly hoping Joe will have a stroke between now and November.
Trump, his supporters and the Russians want Biden off the ticket and we know why. Super Tuesday is something they haven`t recovered from. The only deaths they mourn are the deaths of their Burisma and Joe`s quid pro quo nonsense.
 
Old 05-04-2020, 03:22 AM
 
Location: Wouldn't you like to know?
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Trump, his supporters and the Russians want Biden off the ticket and we know why. Super Tuesday is something they haven`t recovered from. The only deaths they mourn are the deaths of their Burisma and Joe`s quid pro quo nonsense.

The media has successfully swept Quid Pro Joes Burismas dealings off the radar with Covid19. Now they are trying to shield Joe from his sex crimes.
 
Old 05-04-2020, 04:37 AM
 
Location: Mount Airy, Maryland
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Too bad for you that Covid 19 hit us in March and you were able to lock us down in April and May and perhaps longer in some areas. But the warm weather, and the mask wearing and social distancing and just the general knowledge by a lot of people that our freedoms are being taken away should bring things back to a relative normal by September. If this virus had hit us in July or August for the first time, Trump would have been dead in the water by election day.
One of the most frustrating parts of all of this is seeing the Trump folks continue to politicize COVID.
It's offense that you act like we were rooting for a deadly virus just to take down Trump. The shut ins saved lives, that's it that's the agenda. Anything more read into this situation is just typical right wing paranoia and whining.
 
Old 05-04-2020, 04:56 AM
 
Location: Pennsylvania
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One of the most frustrating parts of all of this is seeing the Trump folks continue to politicize COVID.
It's offense that you act like we were rooting for a deadly virus just to take down Trump. The shut ins saved lives, that's it that's the agenda. Anything more read into this situation is just typical right wing paranoia and whining.
Again.

I didn't say you were rooting for the virus.

My point is that the REACTION to the virus has been politicized and is being used as the latest thing to get Trump out. Anyone who questions the shutdown is shouted down. "YOU DON'T CARE ABOUT LIVES".

I must have repeated the same thing 3 times already.
 
Old 05-04-2020, 05:11 AM
 
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Trump's 40% will defend him regardless but he needs more than that to win unless a credible third party is there with ballot access.
That's sort of the key: Trump's floor of support.

If he does really have 40% minimum no matter what (no scandal, nothing can drop it below that) it boils down to how much of that remaining 6% that took a chance on Trump in 2016 will come along once more.

He likely can't win with just 40%. PA, MI and WI would tip the other way. If most of that 6% that took a chance on him (remember that last ditch effort from the 2016 campaign? "What do you have to lose?") agree with his policy and rhetoric, he might win, but it will be close. If he convinces some 2016 Clinton voters as well, that opens up some doors.

I don't know if that'll happen or not. I think if people were willing to hold their noses to vote for Clinton in 2016, Biden is probably easier to vote for. I don't think Trump can take away much of that support.
 
Old 05-04-2020, 05:11 AM
 
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Again.

I didn't say you were rooting for the virus.

My point is that the REACTION to the virus has been politicized and is being used as the latest thing to get Trump out. Anyone who questions the shutdown is shouted down. "YOU DON'T CARE ABOUT LIVES".

I must have repeated the same thing 3 times already.
Exactly! It’s the attack mode that liberals resort to when anyone deviates from the liberal narrative. Even mentioning the fact that lives will be destroyed if we do NOT allow people to earn a living will have one shouted down as evil personified.

The number of deaths is being inflated, as are the number of cases so as to instill as much panic as possible. Whereas before a positive test result was required, now they count “probably had/has COVID” in the tally. The Dems are trying to destroy the economy - or at least prevent it from recovering - in order to bring in their socialistic dreams.
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