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Two of my coworkers are dead. Both were in their late 50s/early 60s and didn't have a serious underlying disease. They had issues that more than half of Americans deal with: overweight, one (to my knowledge) had high blood pressure, the other was a type I diabetic.
Sadly, although all three of these issues are very common, they are nevertheless serious underlying conditions.
I hope that one positive change that comes from this crisis is that people no longer say with a straight face that someone who is obese with diabetes and/or high blood pressure is healthy and doesn't have a serious underlying condition.
My area just saw what happens when a nearby county spiked. Our area received the residual effect. We are now on the upclimb again. Our hospital.just confirmed more receipt of ventilators . They are a few days ahead of this recent release of positive tests counts.
My city just last week.released a right to defiance order by our D.A. he basically set a fire to revolt . Now business's are opening ahead of preventive measures. And none can 'golly jeepers mr olson' attitude ,correlate that their selfish behavior has created this new release of susceptibility.
I already have my medical directives in place, which i do not want a ventilator. Not when you are trach'd afterwards . But my medical directives will mean nothing because not one of my delegated person's will be allowed on premise. They could pretty much leave me hooked up for whatever time I have left. The virus is wretched but my fear is the staff. I'm a number in a bed.
So we all agree the incubation for covid19 is 14 days, right?
It's been 23 days since thousands of people packed the beach in Huntington Beach, OC during that very hot weekend.
16 days since thousand people showed up to the street in OC to protest stay at home order by Emperor Gavin Newsom.
My friend is a Brazilian Jiujitsu (a grappling martial art similar to wrestling) instructor in Irvine, OC. He reopened his gym 14 days ago in defiant of stay at home order. So far nobody in his gym is sick.
I checked out 4 local hospitals today in the OC. It's not busy in the ER. The parking lots are half empty. No body bags lining out the door. USN Mercy (hospital ship) just left the port of LA yesterday after treating 77 non-covid19 patients after 2 months in LA.
What an average layperson like you needs to understand is that scienrific understanding of something new is not in a static state of perfection at the start. It starts with hypotheses; then as data is collected, hypotheses are proven or disproven. New treatments and new hypotheses take place. This is how the scientific method evolves toward better knowledge and better results. We should all try to be more like this on our own evaluations of the world.
I'm afraid the point of this explanation will be lost on many people. We're still hearing complaints from people in this forum about how recommendations have been revised. They'll never be able to grasp the idea that medicine is mostly science but also part art, and changing data means changing protocols and guidelines.
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The evidence is irrefutable, this virus presents virtually zero risk.
Please provide said "irrefutable" evidence. The families of 88,230 deceased in this country are curious.
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Take out people with a serious underlying disease and those over 80, and the fatality rate drops to a fraction of 1%. That might have been the “near zero” the poster meant.
I guess than 1 percent doesn't matter, eh?
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You apparently don't have a need to work and provide for yourself and your family-others are not so fortunate.
You assume a lot. Where do you get your (mis)information?
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I could turn it around and ask why YOU don’t care about people who will feel so destroyed that they will end up suiciding, or O.D.ing, or abusing a defenseless child.
I'm amused at the conservatives' sudden compassion for people with behavioral health issues and substance addictions. No doubt that will fade as quickly as it began once the peak of the public health crisis passes.
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We do have a scientific method, and a critical part of it is trying advance science is to promote and test a variety of different hypotheses. Yet we don't do that-the only ideas we consider are the ones promoted by government bureaucrats, sometimes posing as scientists. We accepted their word that there was no human-to-human transmission. We listened as those experts (CDC) said we don't need internationally available test kits, nor from American companies or universities-the CDC had it covered, and in fact banned (via the FDA) other tests. And then they screwed the pooch hard, made a test that failed, and cost us weeks before we could start testing. Real science would have multiple sources of kits, and test all of them for their efficacy.
Yes, you're right - the Trump administration screwed up royally in the early days of the pandemic.
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We spend billions funding the CDC-they should be providing guidance and leadership to medical professionals "in the trenches". Instead, it is the troops on the front lines that have to run their own studies, develop their own treatments and do their own science.
More failure from the top. So what's your solution?
“We took all of these drastic measures to slow the spread of this disease. Now look at how slowly the disease is spreading! Why are we taking such drastic measures to stop a disease that spreads so slowly?“
Only two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity.
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