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When Covid-19 first showed up in China, and then here, we didn't know much about it. The only people we knew of who had it, were people showing obvious symptoms. Between 2% and 4% of those, died. So it looked like huge numbers would die, 10X or 100X as many as those who got influenza. And it was very contagious, so it seemed likely that millions would get it. Maybe a million or more could die.
So it looked like, if it got loose in this country (as it quickly did), we would need hundreds of thousands of ventilators, plus thousands of tons of other medical equipment, millions of beds etc. Those were sensible conclusions to draw from what (little) we knew then. And the media screamed them out far and wide.
But later we found out that for every person who showed obvious symptoms, there were 10 or 100 more who had gotten infected, but showed little or no symptoms, and virtually all of those recovered quickly or never even showed a problem. And never needed ventilators. And those people would likely never get Covid-19 again. So the mortality rate was only 1/10 or 1/100 of what we had thought in nearly every part of the U.S.
So the mortality rate was far lower than anyone had thought. In most parts of the country, it was no more deadly than the seasonal flu, possibly excepting extremely dense areas like New York City. Even the actual rate across the country was still no picnic, a lot of people would die, just as a lot of people die every year from flu.
But it turned out that we needed far less equipment (such as ventilators) than originally thought.
In the beginning states were still woefully unprepared, so President Trump assumed the power (not granted to him by the Constitution) and got some large companies to make a bunch of ventilators quickly and deliver them. They were available in record time (a few weeks)... about the time when we started finding out that we needed far fewer than we'd thought. Most of those ventilators went to hospitals, nursing homes etc... and have remained unused.
So we've heard little about ventilators in the last several weeks.
We've also heard even less -- ever since this crisis started in Jan-Feb -- about why the states were so woefully unprepared, though it was their job (not the Fed govt's) to provide for helping their citizens.
Perhaps we'll start finding out why so many people HAVE died from Covid-19 due to the states being unable to help them during their most critical times.
Or perhaps that's something else the mainstream media will carefully not talk about.
A few weeks ago, ventilators were the new "cabbage patch doll". Every governor and medical professional was clamoring for them. Andy Cuomo went on TV day after day whining that the the bad orange man was withholding ventilators from him. We were told by virtually every media outlet that the ventilator shortage was going to kill people...and that very shortage was one of the major arguments used to justify draconian "lockdown" policies that have destroyed our economy.
In response to the input from the medical "experts" and public outcry, Trump used the draconian Defense Production Act to force private companies to shift from producing their own products to producing ventilators. They have been in production for some time now. https://www.kokomotribune.com/news/g...6ccd77519.html
Why aren't we seeing this daily on the MSM? After all, they told us just how critical they were for weeks. Could it be that the "experts" were wrong on the need for ventilators, just as they have been on nearly every point during this outbreak? Could it be due to the fact that front-line healthcare workers have figured out that ventilator use is not just "unnecessary", but in many cases, it is in fact killing patients?
I'm curious about a few things.
Prior to this, ventilator companies like Ventec produced 100 or so per month. So we spent who knows how much forcing GM (and Ford IIRC) to tool up and mass produce these-to the tune of thousands a month. The market now is flooded, with more of these rolling off the line. We have more ventilators than we will need for the next decade. So...just what are we going to do with them? And just what is going to happen to Ventec and other companies that had been producing them...now that the market is flooded? Will they be one more piece of the economic devastation puzzle created by the actions of our politicians?
Just why do those in the MSM seem to be suppressing this "success story"?
Andy Cuomo has been whining that he needed 15,000 ventilators right away. Has he purchased them yet, now that they are available?
left to Cuomo, he would be the only Governor getting the ventilators, but was so last month. Cuomo need a lot of them, he forced elderly people with the virus into nursing homes where just about everyone including the healthy ended up using them until they died.
So we all agree the incubation for covid19 is 14 days, right?
It's been 23 days since thousands of people packed the beach in Huntington Beach, OC during that very hot weekend.
16 days since thousand people showed up to the street in OC to protest stay at home order by Emperor Gavin Newsom.
My friend is a Brazilian Jiujitsu (a grappling martial art similar to wrestling) instructor in Irvine, OC. He reopened his gym 14 days ago in defiant of stay at home order. So far nobody in his gym is sick.
I checked out 4 local hospitals today in the OC. It's not busy in the ER. The parking lots are half empty. No body bags lining out the door. USN Mercy (hospital ship) just left the port of LA yesterday after treating 77 non-covid19 patients after 2 months in LA.
So......what is going on?
Did you call your state health to get the stats? Last I recall visitation was restricted. When did California change that guideline? So in the kindest of ways. .driving around to four hospitals doesn't validate or confirm the assumption parlayed here.
Common sense seems lacking in some areas.
So half of Americans stay indoors until there's a vaccine. Will you be delivering food?
Or should we open up slowly and all take reasonable precautions to keep most Americans safe while we open back up the service economy?
I mean, I get that's a really difficult decision - wear a mask in public or have half of Americans (and their households) isolated. Really hard.
Massachusetts didn't allow nursing homes to take covid patients, and they were still decimated despite being locked down. Try another line, yours isn't working.
That's really a question for those that, for reasons real or imagined, are afraid to go outside. Again-no one is going to force them to. It's really not that difficult a decision for the vast majority of the people.
When Covid-19 first showed up in China, and then here, we didn't know much about it. The only people we knew of who had it, were people showing obvious symptoms. Between 2% and 4% of those, died. So it looked like huge numbers would die, 10X or 100X as many as those who got influenza. And it was very contagious, so it seemed likely that millions would get it. Maybe a million or more could die.
So it looked like, if it got loose in this country (as it quickly did), we would need hundreds of thousands of ventilators, plus thousands of tons of other medical equipment, millions of beds etc. Those were sensible conclusions to draw from what (little) we knew then. And the media screamed them out far and wide.
But later we found out that for every person who showed obvious symptoms, there were 10 or 100 more who had gotten infected, but showed little or no symptoms, and virtually all of those recovered quickly or never even showed a problem. And never needed ventilators. And those people would likely never get Covid-19 again. So the mortality rate was only 1/10 or 1/100 of what we had thought in nearly every part of the U.S.
So the mortality rate was far lower than anyone had thought. In most parts of the country, it was no more deadly than the seasonal flu, possibly excepting extremely dense areas like New York City. Even the actual rate across the country was still no picnic, a lot of people would die, just as a lot of people die every year from flu.
But it turned out that we needed far less equipment (such as ventilators) than originally thought.
In the beginning states were still woefully unprepared, so President Trump assumed the power (not granted to him by the Constitution) and got some large companies to make a bunch of ventilators quickly and deliver them. They were available in record time (a few weeks)... about the time when we started finding out that we needed far fewer than we'd thought. Most of those ventilators went to hospitals, nursing homes etc... and have remained unused.
So we've heard little about ventilators in the last several weeks.
We've also heard even less -- ever since this crisis started in Jan-Feb -- about why the states were so woefully unprepared, though it was their job (not the Fed govt's) to provide for helping their citizens.
Perhaps we'll start finding out why so many people HAVE died from Covid-19 due to the states being unable to help them during their most critical times.
Or perhaps that's something else the mainstream media will carefully not talk about.
Its much too early to judge mortality rates 3 months into this, that can come later. But think of all the things we have done to control this rapidly spreading virus, we never shut down the nation for the flu or other diseases. Just imagine what this would look like if we did nothing, imagine what hospitals and ICU's.
We didn't know what we needed in the beginning as you indicated, unknown asymptomatic virus that spreads rapidly. The last thing we wanted was to decide who gets a ventilator and who doesn't.
Plenty of blame to go around at every level of government, just a matter of time before this happened as many have predicted.
But many who are positive were never tested. Figure that in and the death rate is in the tenths of one percent so saying that it is “virtually close to zero” is not that far off.
when we discover - assuming we do - that the rate of infection was actually 2x that tested, then you're down to 3%. If it's 4x tested, 1.5%.
At this time, it cannot be said the risk is near zero. That is all.
Are some overblowing the virus, believing contracting it is a death sentence and likewise ignoring the 6%? Of course.
A few weeks ago, ventilators were the new "cabbage patch doll". Every governor and medical professional was clamoring for them. Andy Cuomo went on TV day after day whining that the the bad orange man was withholding ventilators from him. We were told by virtually every media outlet that the ventilator shortage was going to kill people...and that very shortage was one of the major arguments used to justify draconian "lockdown" policies that have destroyed our economy.
In response to the input from the medical "experts" and public outcry, Trump used the draconian Defense Production Act to force private companies to shift from producing their own products to producing ventilators. They have been in production for some time now. https://www.kokomotribune.com/news/g...6ccd77519.html
Why aren't we seeing this daily on the MSM? After all, they told us just how critical they were for weeks. Could it be that the "experts" were wrong on the need for ventilators, just as they have been on nearly every point during this outbreak? Could it be due to the fact that front-line healthcare workers have figured out that ventilator use is not just "unnecessary", but in many cases, it is in fact killing patients?
I'm curious about a few things.
Prior to this, ventilator companies like Ventec produced 100 or so per month. So we spent who knows how much forcing GM (and Ford IIRC) to tool up and mass produce these-to the tune of thousands a month. The market now is flooded, with more of these rolling off the line. We have more ventilators than we will need for the next decade. So...just what are we going to do with them? And just what is going to happen to Ventec and other companies that had been producing them...now that the market is flooded? Will they be one more piece of the economic devastation puzzle created by the actions of our politicians?
Just why do those in the MSM seem to be suppressing this "success story"?
Andy Cuomo has been whining that he needed 15,000 ventilators right away. Has he purchased them yet, now that they are available?
Because social distancing enabled us to mitigate the impact on hospitals --- and in most cases, because of social distancing, we are starting to see the downside of the curb.
I suspectr there will be a demand for ventilators globally as hospitals replace outdated equipment, broken equipment and governments stock pile 'just in case' next winter COVID spikes again.
Hospitals that only had one ventilator may be able to buy 2 or 3 now.......
Did you call your state health to get the stats? Last I recall visitation was restricted. When did California change that guideline? So in the kindest of ways. .driving around to four hospitals doesn't validate or confirm the assumption parlayed here.
Common sense seems lacking in some areas.
Orange County has 3.2MM people. 4,200 cases. 1 day since 4/28, a spike above ~150 cases. Since 4/28, testing has ramped up from blow 1500 to over 2000 per day.
The evidence is irrefutable, this virus presents virtually zero risk.
True. No one that has died from it can refute that.
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