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I can't imagine someone having a heart attack and just sitting it out at home because they are afraid of the ER......eek.
We would see an upswing in other kinds of deaths if that happened.
There are many stories of people doing exactly that. As a doctor in this article says, people don't stop having strokes and heart attacks because of coronavirus is out there. If the ER is empty, that is a worrisome thing, not a good thing.
And if there's no shortage, they can't blame the shortage on Trump
Absolutely! The only reason they were harping on ventilators was that they were thinking it hurst Trump. Did they ever go back to the same hospitals with crying nurses wanting ventilators? No, that would help Trump hence not newsworthy. On to testing now.
A month or so ago I started designing and building a ventilator. It's ready now, but the urgency has gone way down. For the same reason you haven't heard much about ventilators on the news. There's no crisis there any more, there are plenty to go around.
Look, the whole “ventilator crisis” started because Italy ran out of ventilators, and doctors were stuck with the horrible position of having to choose who gets them, and who was left to die without one.
At first, it was anyone over 80 didn’t get a ventilator. Then when they still ran out, they lowered it to anyone over 70. I don’t fault anyone here in the US who was trying to scramble to get more ventilators, because too many ventilators is not a problem, but too few, is a problem.
As it turned out most of the people on the ventilators, especially in those age groups, died anyway. It just took days or weeks, rather than hours like the people who didn’t get ventilators. But regardless, we are the USA, not Italy. I know this statement is unpopular in certain circles, but we have the best medical system in the world. It has it’s flaws, but if I had a life threatening illness, there is no place I would rather be. If we ran out of ventilators, it would just give a lot of ammunition to the people who love to disparage our health care system.
Look, the whole “ventilator crisis” started because Italy ran out of ventilators, and doctors were stuck with the horrible position of having to choose who gets them, and who was left to die without one.
At first, it was anyone over 80 didn’t get a ventilator. Then when they still ran out, they lowered it to anyone over 70. I don’t fault anyone here in the US who was trying to scramble to get more ventilators, because too many ventilators is not a problem, but too few, is a problem.
As it turned out most of the people on the ventilators, especially in those age groups, died anyway. It just took days or weeks, rather than hours like the people who didn’t get ventilators. But regardless, we are the USA, not Italy. I know this statement is unpopular in certain circles, but we have the best medical system in the world. It has it’s flaws, but if I had a life threatening illness, there is no place I would rather be. If we ran out of ventilators, it would just give a lot of ammunition to the people who love to disparage our health care system.
Recent data suggests that ventilators do work in many cases, so they are effectively back in play.
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"We think that mortality for folks that end up on the ventilator with [COVID-19] is going to end up being somewhere between probably 25% up to maybe 50%," Cooke says.
Well, regardless of what one may read on social media, they were always in play. This is for lack of any other feasible way to keep people alive long enough to give them a chance to recover from the illness.
But, this is what I am seeing as well. In the short term, it seemed that everyone that went on the ventilator was dying. But those are people who would have died much quicker without the ventilator. But now that time has passed, it seems that those who make it past the initial few weeks on the ventilators, have a much higher likelihood of surviving.
In the first few weeks, our ventilator mortality rate was 90%. But as time has passed, that number dropped to 70%. And it is still falling. People who have been on the ventilators for 4-8 weeks, are starting to come off the ventilators, and the final tally may be 50% or better.
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