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The mayor already came out and said that what that officer did was NOT authorized for MPD to use.
No "legal" anything about what he did.
NOT authorized does not mean ILLEGAL. I had to point this out to folks during the Eric Garner cop case. The hold that the police officer put Garner in was clearly banned by NYPD policy. But NYPD policy is not law. So while MPD (or the NYPD) would be justified in firing any police officer that violates their operating rules and policies, that is not the same as violating the law.
Well, that’s convenient. Nobody cares. The guy is dead because of the idiot officer’s actions. He’s holding a knee to his neck for 3 minutes after he passes out? He’s a criminal. Charge him
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Photos shows cop with gas mask and covered up except for his eyes who was identified by his ex-wife as one of the men torching businesses. Evidently he was moonlighting as a domestic terrorist for George Soros' Open Society
The media will have you thinking it was a black person doing this. I wish more attention would be brought to light about this. Especially as it pertains to the woman who appears in a wheelchair who is not handicapped who lied about being robbed. She was stabbing people in the wheelchair.
I honestly think there will be pressure for a conviction so more riots don't happen.
I think you are right that most adult men can withstand that knee there, but Floyd couldn't and the knee there didn't seem to be necessary as he didn't appear to be resisting, was hand cuffed on the ground and outnumbered by many cops there.
I don't see how the cop can walk.
He was freaking out as the cop led him to the car. Then the media edits out about ten seconds and it cuts to him being on the ground.
You don't need to be a Rhodes Scholar to know what happened in that ten seconds and why the left wing media edited it.
Like I said very early, likely a heart attack caused by the situation. I think that takes murder out because it’s harder to tie in intent and recklessness. Maybe a manslaughter conviction will still hold.
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Originally Posted by VexedAndSolitary
Yeah, thus the manslaughter charge. Like I said ages ago: a guy with a weakened heart, a cardiovascular condition, hypertension, drug user, already compromised as he said he was having difficulty breathing before they put him down on the ground, then exacerbated the medical crisis by keeping his thorax compressed (the two other cops who were leaning on him) all were factors.
So really all three are equally liable. He was likely already experiencing a cardiac/respiratory event when he collapsed while they were taking him to the car; they ignored this and pinned him down instead. In any case he wasn't ever resisting; he was in a medical crisis they were too jaded to address.
I really don’t think you guys get it. You take the victim as you find them. But for the officer’s actions, Floyd would not have died. The harm within the risk of excessive physical force is that someone with underlying conditions could die. That’s actual and proximate cause right there, and it is beyond reproach. It actually doesn’t matter that he didn’t die from asphyxiation. At all. He died as a result of Chauvin’s actions. You really think he was gonna die that day otherwise? Do you think it’s even remotely reasonable to assume that?
Minnesota’s third degree murder is the depraved heart murder version. Basically the prosecution needs to show that Chauvin had a depraved indifference to human life. NOT that he had specific intent to kill Floyd. It’s more like reckless endangerment. A lower standard, and probably gonna be easy to prove in this case, particularly given the way his history reflects on his character.
I really don’t think you guys get it. You take the victim as you find them. But for the officer’s actions, Floyd would not have died. The harm within the risk of excessive physical physical force is that someone with underlying conditions could die. That’s actual and proximate cause right there, and it is beyond reproach. It actually doesn’t matter that he didn’t die from asphyxiation. At all. He died as a result of Chauvin’s actions. You really think he was gonna die that day otherwise?
Minnesota’s third degree murder is the depraved heart murder version. Basically the prosecution needs to show that Chauvin had a depraved indifference to human life. NOT that he had specific intent to kill Floyd. It’s more like reckless endangerment. A lower standard, and probably gonna be easy to prove in this case.
Depraved heart, causation and death. All three elements are clearly present here as far as I’m concerned.
I still feel like they could get 2nd degree murder pretty easily though. Settling for murder 3 is BS IMO. I guess the main thing is ensuring a conviction, but why not try him for both 2 and 3? Give the jury the option of either.
I see another lefty who can't read and has a problem comprehending what is before them
Look, he had underlying conditions that made him more vulnerable, but he died because a cop knelt on his neck for nine minutes, well after he was clearly incapacitated and no longer a threat. And you can't excuse it away. Comprehend that.
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Conservative logic!