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So you are a single issue voter....the gym rat lobby isn't gonna take it anymore.
Yes, I’m becoming a single-issue voter. This crisis has upended everything for me. As recently as February, I’d scoff at the militants who based their voting-decisions on abortion. Like the guy, and his policies,… but he’s pro-choice? Fail! Vote for the opponent. Well, here’s where presently we stand. I remain pro-choice, but I’ll gladly vote for a crackpot theocratic zealot, who wants to make abortion under any circumstance, a capital offence (?) – if part of his platform is the full and immediate opening of gyms. Yes, it’s that important to me. I’ve been attending the gym religiously for 30 years, included when I had a broken leg. It is absolutely fundamental to who I am, where I wish to go, and what I value.
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I spoke to an aunt of mine the other day. She was a little girl during WW II. To put your current "inconvenience" into context. .... If my Aunt could wait several years for her chance to get a little balloon...certainly you can wait a little longer until the gyms open back up.
Things were probably even worse in Palestine during the Crusades, or Baghdad when the Mongols invaded. Closer to our time, consider that very same WW2 example, but on the Eastern Front. 27 million dead, in the USSR. More than 10% of the population… many from starvation, untreated wounds, or outright torture.
It’s easy to find examples where in relative terms the present hardship is nugatory. And? Ought we not to consider the relative impact and consequence?
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The liberal governors know they must lighten up to save face because their executive orders are being ignored now that they can no longer use police to enforce their unconstitutional decrees.
Standing in the way of easing restrictions and an improving economy isn't a path to winning elections.
You know this.
Actually, we don't yet know this. There may very well be a majority of voters that remains supportive of this inanity, preferring a "slow" and milquetoast opening, and eager to re-close with the least flaring-up of new cases. Never underestimate the power of fear!
These executive-orders are being ignored only sporadically and half-heartedly. And if the neighborhood gym flaunts the closure-diktat and dares to open, it's hard to believe that the local constabulary would idly stand by. It would be a confrontation. And wherever one stands on the issue of guns, you can bet who's going to win that confrontation.
In mostly Democrat governor controlled states, the continued stay-at-home/shelter in place orders are being extended as far out, and close to the election cycle as possible, in order to keep the economy closed and hurt it--as much as possible.
Then, pin everything on Trump. The deaths from COVID-19, the hurting economy, the unemployment.
This entire thing has been a sinister, devious plan from the start, as absolutely terrible and unbelievable as that sounds.
The hatred for Trump is that great, and Trump threatens the global elite's plans for globalism.
Trump has to be defeated--no matter the cost, in their minds.
It's an evil world we live in, and very sad how things are playing out.
I agree with your assessment. It's very sad. What's even more sad is the Democrats have had 4 very long years to groom a suitable candidate to defeat Trump and all they can muster up is Joe Biden? Before Biden, it was Hillary freakin Clinton??? Come on! What a sad lot of politicians. So if they can't beat Trump at the polls the traditional way, they go with the ultimate Hail Mary and use COVID as a weapon to marginalize Trump in hopes of stealing the November election.
It's none of the above. It's a combination of cover-your-posterior, a wholesale worship of the God of Safety, and a misallocation of priorities.
Nobody ever got fired or otherwise reprimanded for being "too safe". Ergo, the safety-culture runs rampant. The workman who gets the job done, without a hard-hat or safety-harness or the right equipment or whatnot, receives no reward for being quick, expeditious or cost-conscious. His counterpart, who refuses to start the job before every box on the checklist is checked, is instead the paragon of virtue.
Politics matters, but this goes beyond politics. It's more a question of culture.
We get 2 safety points if we are caught say climbing on top of the rail car without the harness on, and one point if we are not using our cut resistant glove. 6 points and you can get fired. Good safety gets you brownie points with OSHA, prevents lost time accidents, and unnecessary costs for medical care and potential lawsuits. It really makes sense we are having the response we are. It's not like in the 80's where you just hide your injury and keep working. Good post, by the way.
Any guvnerz (D or R because both teams have done them) that imposed lockups or shutdowns should stand trial for the crime.
They have been every bit as destructive as the looters/rioters in Mn.
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Any guvnerz (D or R because both teams have done them) that imposed lockups or shutdowns should stand trial for the crime.
They have been every bit as destructive as the looters/rioters in Mn.
And many believe that the cost in human life of the lockdowns is greater than the cost in human life of the "pandemic".
Then, pin everything on Trump. The deaths from COVID-19, the hurting economy, the unemployment.
This entire thing has been a sinister, devious plan from the start, as absolutely terrible and unbelievable as that sounds.
Look out. There's a sinister Democrat lurking under your chair.
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Nobody ever got fired or otherwise reprimanded for being "too safe". Ergo, the safety-culture runs rampant. The workman who gets the job done, without a hard-hat or safety-harness or the right equipment or whatnot, receives no reward for being quick, expeditious or cost-conscious. His counterpart, who refuses to start the job before every box on the checklist is checked, is instead the paragon of virtue.
Safety is a bad thing now? Who knew?
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Any guvnerz (D or R because both teams have done them) that imposed lockups or shutdowns should stand trial for the crime.
So ... That would be all of them, then. What crimes have they committed, specifically? Please cite the law(s) in each state that backs up your assertions.
Here's a link to the Ohio Revised Code to get you started: Lawriter - ORC
As I've said a Million times in the last 30 years, you can always count on government to over-react.
Over-reacting is what governments do best.
Governors and mayors ask Americans to social-distance and refrain from unnecessary activities.
Americans -- who are not Japanese or South Koreans or Taiwanese -- in typical American fashion gave The One-Finger Salute and did whatever they felt like doing.
Government in typical government fashion over-reacted by shutting down everything.
There was a middle ground.
It's unfortunate no one saw it.
The middle ground is a flexible response.
You order all businesses at 50% capacity, personal services like salon, gyms etc, everyone masks up, and for non-personal services like retail and restaurant, staff/employees mask up and the owners/managers can require patrons to wear masks. Everyone sanitizes daily. No exceptions. If necessary, call up National Guard units to enforce.
You see a restaurant violating the order, you get the manager and tell them they're now at 25% capacity and if you have to come back, they'll be closed as a public health risk.
That's really all that needed to be done.
Business owners will police themselves and Americans will pay attention to what store owners/managers say, but not what government says.
For large venues, you'll have to shut them down. Nothing you can do about that, but there'd have been less economic damage.
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