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You didn't have to say it. Your attitude was obvious. Millions of people are out of work and you went on about how your life has been fine then made a joke about it:
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Originally Posted by Ohiogirl81
One state out of 50 through June? Okay ...
Pennsylvania is opening in phases; where I live will be the last area to open. In the meantime, I've been going to work, hanging out with my neighbors, going to parks, walking in my neighborhood.
In my spare time, I'm masterminding a plot to unleash a new virus sure to create havoc with the November elections. The thing is ... I'm having trouble convincing every other nation on earth to go along with it. Can you imagine - who wouldn't want to sacrifice thousands of their countrymen to screw with Trump's head? So uncooperative. The nerve.
Who knew? People who care about the bottom line. The people who built the Transcontinental Railroad knew. The people who built the Hoover Dam knew. The people behind the Soviet space program knew.
Explorers, entrepreneurs and risk-takers know. They know that the ultimate objective is to succeed. If you're so clumsy or untrained or ill-equipped that you die before success is even within reach, then you fail. But the point safety is to succeed, to get the job done. It is NOT an end in itself.
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Originally Posted by sholomar
We get 2 safety points if we are caught say climbing on top of the rail car without the harness on, and one point if we are not using our cut resistant glove. 6 points and you can get fired. Good safety gets you brownie points with OSHA, prevents lost time accidents, and unnecessary costs for medical care and potential lawsuits. It really makes sense we are having the response we are. It's not like in the 80's where you just hide your injury and keep working. ....
Safety as a reduction in time-lost, in insurance-costs, in retraining-costs and so forth, makes sense. Safety as an end in itself? Not so much. By elevating safety as an end in itself, we're deprecating the essence of the main objective - which is to get the job done.
The safest approach is to never pour the concrete, never dig the trench, never erect the column, never stretch the cable, never extract the coal, never smelt the steel, never drive-in the railroad spikes. That saves the most lives, doesn't it? But - to what end?
Look, folks - this isn't politics. This isn't about Trump, or red vs. blue. It's about dynamiting that stone mountain to build the Hoover Dam, or doing endless environmental impact studies, followed by Tiger Teams appointed to assess best workplace-practices, followed by a blue ribbon commission to study safety protocols.
And here's the problem with listening to "experts". No, it's not that experts are necessarily corrupt or politically-leaning, or bloviating just to get attention . It's that experts will almost never say, "Hey, I don't know, let's just go ahead and press the red button, and see what happens. It might be cool and all that!" But you know what - sometimes you have to press that big shiny red button, even if you have next to zero knowledge of the risks.
Look, folks - this isn't politics. This isn't about Trump, or red vs. blue. It's about dynamiting that stone mountain to build the Hoover Dam, or doing endless environmental impact studies, followed by Tiger Teams appointed to assess best workplace-practices, followed by a blue ribbon commission to study safety protocols.
And here's the problem with listening to "experts". No, it's not that experts are necessarily corrupt or politically-leaning, or bloviating just to get attention . It's that experts will almost never say, "Hey, I don't know, let's just go ahead and press the red button, and see what happens. It might be cool and all that!" But you know what - sometimes you have to press that big shiny red button, even if you have next to zero knowledge of the risks.
I agree. Back when we didn't have any "experts", we were a bad-*** [butt] country. We just had the drive to get things done, and a touch of recklessness. And look at the achievements we made. We dug the Erie Canal. We turned the Manhattan Island from a swamp into a metropolis. We raised the street level in Chicago by 5 feet. We reversed the flow of the Chicago River. We invented the telephone. We built the Golden Gate Bridge with just steam power. We stormed Normandy and won World War II.
Now, it's "experts this" and "experts that", and nothing gets done. What have we achieved recently? Not much. LED light bulbs? Smartphones? Fiber optics? 5G surveillance towers? It's all made in China, anyway! "Experts" are a dirty skid mark on the boxer briefs of progress.
While we don't have state lock downs -- our goveernor extended state of emergency for another two weeks. South Carolina did have a few days of increased cases but up until that we were dropping....why do we have a state of emergency still?
Not only is the poll flawed - it's already biased. The whole wording has a snide implication that governors couldn't possibly really care about "peoples."
Whats flawed is the above posters interpretation of the poll.
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Originally Posted by moneill
Perhaps if you provide a link the extensions you are referring to we might have something to talk about.
Usual suspect left leaning poster trying to run interference, anyone that freqs this forum already knows which states/counties/gov have ridiculous extensions in an effort keep as much pressure on the economy as possible. For starters Virginia, Oregon, LA county; there are likely others.
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Originally Posted by golgi1
Severe economic contraction that would otherwise take decades to transition into.
This, the racist lib icon Bill Maher hinted at this plan last year as being "worth it" if it got rid of Trump.
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