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These are American doctors and nurses. This isn't about differences in susceptibility or genetic factors increasing risks.
This is literally, trained doctors and nurses who have gone through years of training, entering the medical field, literally thinking that Black people have higher pain tolerance. These are licensed, medical professionals actually believing that Black people literally have thicker skin.
These studies don't directly address the question of whether blacks have a higher pain tolerance. One suggests that blacks may have a lower pain tolerance, but that article bases its speculation on reporting of pain, which is something quite different.
These studies don't address the question of whether blacks have a higher pain tolerance. One suggests that blacks may have a lower pain tolerance, but that article bases its speculation on reporting of pain, which is something quite different.
My first reaction when reading the article was that this doesn't read like the studies I'm accustomed to reading.
These are American doctors and nurses. This isn't about differences in susceptibility or genetic factors increasing risks.
This is literally, trained doctors and nurses who have gone through years of training, entering the medical field, literally thinking that Black people have higher pain tolerance. These are licensed, medical professionals actually believing that Black people literally have thicker skin.
First of all, there is no need to capitalize black or white.
Regardless, just like pain, it makes little sense, as many people of all ethnic backgrounds have various thickness of skin. I remember when this one ECG tech that was trying to remove the leads in one fell pull, unfortunately had some of the electrodes pulled with the leads, and tore off the patients skin (no they were not black).
The point being that the patients skin was paper thin.
Now just imagine if the same tech (who was white) did that to a black patient.
There would be some who thought implicit bias because of what you posted. It would be a mistake and poor/improper technique either way, but if it happens to white person (which it did in that case) no one would assume anything.
But make it a black patient and some liberals/leftists would project their own race based assumptions onto the tech.
I've actually done implicit bias training for my job. It's not any different than having to watch videos about sexual harassment in the workplace online and answer obvious questions. Both are done to prevent lawsuits from happening.
Why are you so terrified of a more educated medical workforce?
I have also done implicit bias training in the workplace - nothing wrong with it. And I am old enough to have been working when workplace training around discriminatory hiring practices against women and sexual harassment as well first were introduced in the early 90s as I recall. Then too, some people reacted with fear and anger and insisted it was the end of life as we know it. To be honest, I think most of those who were squealing like a stuck pig about laws and regulations to protect women back then were doing so because they were among the offenders and felt threatened.... and this is probably a parallel situation. Because in reality, if you're not part of the problem, you have little to worry about.
Is it really that bad to teach medical professionals who serve ALL people to act that way. I personally as an African-American haven’t faced any racism in medical offices but that doesn’t mean it’s a good thing for medical professionals to know. I applaud Gretchen Whitmer for making sure medical professionals take classes on bias, and racism. But you have to understand it wasn’t about prejudice totally. It’s a good think to cover the state in court.
Am I going to find more if I investigate the others?
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Originally Posted by hbdwihdh378y9
These studies don't directly address the question of whether blacks have a higher pain tolerance. One suggests that blacks may have a lower pain tolerance, but that article bases its speculation on reporting of pain, which is something quite different.
My first reaction when reading the article was that this doesn't read like the studies I'm accustomed to reading.
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Originally Posted by Vector1
First of all, there is no need to capitalize black or white.
Regardless, just like pain, it makes little sense, as many people of all ethnic backgrounds have various thickness of skin. I remember when this one ECG tech that was trying to remove the leads in one fell pull, unfortunately had some of the electrodes pulled with the leads, and tore off the patients skin (no they were not black).
The point being that the patients skin was paper thin.
Now just imagine if the same tech (who was white) did that to a black patient.
There would be some who thought implicit bias because of what you posted. It would be a mistake and poor/improper technique either way, but if it happens to white person (which it did in that case) no one would assume anything.
But make it a black patient and some liberals/leftists would project their own race based assumptions onto the tech.
Lol... this is why we have anti-bias training. Even when presented with something absurd about Black people, you're willing to give it a chance and consider information to confirm the possibility.
One of the things that have always held true about "race" is that there's more variability within races than there is between races. So any proposition that begins with "X race is more likely..." should be taken with a grain of salt.
There are lots of studies into implicit biases in medical care if you'd care to look. That doesn't mean doctors and nurses go into their jobs racist guns blazing, but they also don't know to check their biases. Nearly half of doctors believe that Black people have thicker skin or feel less pain. You can imagine how that negatively impacts care. It is shockingly common for diseases that only impact (like endimetriosis) or largely impact (like fibromyalgia) women to be taken less seriously.
If you presented to the doctor with severe back pain, persistent itchy skin, and extreme fatigue, you would expect a work up, right? I was told - for 5 years - that it was depression, psychosymptomatic or because I was "too busty." If at any point a doctor had done a simple chest xray, they would have seen the tumor growing to the eventual size of a grapefruit in my chest. That backpain? Mets growing on my spine. My symptoms and age fit the classic profile for Hodgkin's lymphoma yet half a dozen doctors and specialists missed it. It may sound shocking, but it's not an uncommon story for women in the medical system to have their ailments dismissed. Would a man presenting with severe back pain be told it was depression?
The doctors who missed my issues weren't bad people. They didn't go into work thinking, "I'm going to screw over a young woman and cause her years of pain and a much more serious, statistically less successful treatment plan today." But they were, like all of us, were impacted by implicit bias. And that makes healthcare worse for all of us.
Lol... this is why we have anti-bias training. Even when presented with something absurd about Black people, you're willing to give it a chance and consider information to confirm the possibility.
One of the things that have always held true about "race" is that there's more variability within races than there is between races. So any proposition that begins with "X race is more likely..." should be taken with a grain of salt.
As it relates to my quoted post among the other 3, I do not see how your comment applies to mine.
Maybe you were lumping my in their theirs, but unless I said something defending the two stupid things that supposedly some MD's and nurses believe, I do not think most in the profession would assume the pain and skin thickness aspect with a white vs. a black patient.
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