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I'm concerned about the rights of the people in the store parking lot being threatened by the knife.
There are some who have the idea that people shouldn't be arrested. Any attempt at arrest is unjust. Any attempt at 'policing' is racist at its core, therefore resisting is some kind of civil rights statement. These are the marxist anti-police crowd who want to bring down systems, and are using race as a tool. They don't care that their revolution gets people killed.
People making non-compliance with police about race are incorrect. Anyone who cares about lives should be counseling people to not resist arrest. Even in civil disobedience, people go limp and get dragged away peacefully, not reaching for things that could be weapons, or attacking police.
If any civil rights are violated, live another day to... sue. Sue to the high heavens. Stay alive to fight that fight. That goes for any race, creed, or gender. This creates precedent, imposes monetary damages, and creates actual change if a real harm occurred ...not riots.
Exactly. And that’s how you know that BLM isn’t about saving black lives. If it were, they’d focus on where 95% of the deaths occur - in poor black neighborhoods, among themselves - but an easy way to start off is by telling defiant black criminals to follow police orders. Instead, BLM is encouraging defiance, violence, destruction, and arson - and threatening more of it if whitey doesn’t submit to what they want.
Come to think of it, they (BLM) are demanding from whites what they insist blacks don’t do, and that’s to go along with an order: blacks in the commission of a crime should not submit to police orders, but whites should submit to demands of blacks.
Some posters have brought up some pretty good points about why people shouldn't have to blindly comply with whatever a law enforcement officer tells them to do. None of that erases the fact that you are much more likely to survive an encounter with them if you are polite and do as you are told. It's just simple reality. I understand the concept of giving one's life to the cause of liberty but there are much more effective ways of doing so. The people resisting arrest in most of these cases are not courageous warriors fighting for the cause of the freedom of mankind, they are thugs who know that if they let the police catch them they will do hard time for the crimes they have committed.
You do realize that breanna's boyfriend fired at the cops first (hitting one), before they returned fire, and she was shot accidentally, right?
Or are you just regurgitating the false BLM/Dem narrative?
Plainclothes cops with a no-knock warrant. For the cops and residents, what could possibly go wrong ?
I was taught to comply when dealing with the police. However, it doesn't not mean that non-compliance constitutes the use of deadly force. My father taught me it's "yes sir, no sir" with police officers. At the same time, he too agrees that non-compliance is not a reason for an officer to shoot. His philosophy was this: That officer might be dead wrong, but that officer has a gun, and more power than you do. Basically, I was taught to deal with police encounters the way one deals with bears wandering into camp.
Bc we don't live a police state where unquestioning obedience is mandatory to continue living.
Anyone who thinks that is also signing up to be shot for believing the tree of liberty quote.
You are right from a constitutionalist point of view. Questioning authority is part of the DNA of this country. There have been numerous times when the government has overstepped its authority. However, you are confusing questioning authority as a law abiding citizen with disobeying authority as a criminal. The officers were called to this scene because there was criminal activity taking place. The person shot, was engaging in criminal activity. Facts need to come to light as to why the officer all of a sudden decided to shoot. Once we have more information, then we can have a better judge the officer's actions. The whole idea that you propose that everyone gets to ignore police orders regardless of what they were doing is ridiculous.
Not following police orders is not a justification for lethal force in and of itself. Only if the suspect is armed or can REASONABLY be presumed to be armed of otherwise exceptionally dangerous.
This recent video is pretty damning for the cops. Now if the guy was going for a weapon inside the car and the cop shot him to keep him from getting to it that's different. But just telling cops to get stuffed with their orders is NOT grounds for lethal force by itself.
The guy in WI could very well have had a weapon in the car. We cant see. If the cop who fired saw him reaching for a gun inside the car then it was a good shoot.
But if there was no weapon just because he wasnt complying with orders was NO cause to grab him by the scruff and start pumping the crunchenticker.
I want to see the cops bodycam footage. As it sits things look bad.
If they were telling him, "stop" and "hands" repeatedly at gunpoint and he was reaching anywhere it is legit shoot. Weapons can be concealed anywhere.
In the Floyd case it was an issue immediately while he was still in his car he couldn't seem to keep his hands still and it ramped things up right away. It triggered the officer to grab his gun when Floyd did not comply with that simple first order.
Should we start focusing on Non compliance in these domestic abuse cases?
If women would just shut up and do what they're told, their husbands wouldn't have to hit them.
Women who shut up will get beat up anyways, an abuser is an abuser. Women also have the same rights as men under the constitution, they should always be free to speak their minds. That same constitution provides for law enforcement and the need to obey police orders at the point of incident. The police have a responsibility to act lawfully during the course of an arrest or investigation, if not then anyone who has had their rights violated has due process and full recourse in a court of law to seek justice.
But justice is impossible if law enforcement and authority is not respected
Women who shut up will get beat up anyways, an abuser is an abuser. Women also have the same rights as men under the constitution, they should always be free to speak their minds. That same constitution provides for law enforcement and the need to obey police orders at the point of incident. The police have a responsibility to act lawfully during the course of an arrest or investigation, if not then anyone who has had their rights violated has due process and full recourse in a court of law to seek justice.
But justice is impossible if law enforcement and authority is not respected
I mean, do you hear yourself?
Hey guess what! Black people who comply will get shot anyway if the cops are racist.
Full recourse? Like the multiple murdering cops who got to keep their jobs and a pile of GoFundMe cash? That kind of full recourse?
God, listen to you people bending over backwards to rationalize police killing citizens because they stood still or didn't stand still or blinked, or leaned, or didn't use the "right" tone.
Non compliance isn't a death penalty offense last time I checked. "Disrespect" isn't a death penalty offense. Disobedience isn't a death penalty offense. We have a mother****ing due process for god's sake. We don't shoot people in the street as part of it.
Justice is impossible when cops kill with impunity and the masses come up with one rationalization after another to defend it.
Hey guess what! Black people who comply will get shot anyway if the cops are racist.
Full recourse? Like the multiple murdering cops who got to keep their jobs and a pile of GoFundMe cash? That kind of full recourse?
God, listen to you people bending over backwards to rationalize police killing citizens because they stood still or didn't stand still or blinked, or leaned, or didn't use the "right" tone.
Non compliance isn't a death penalty offense last time I checked. "Disrespect" isn't a death penalty offense. Disobedience isn't a death penalty offense. We have a mother****ing due process for god's sake. We don't shoot people in the street as part of it.
Justice is impossible when cops kill with impunity and the masses come up with one rationalization after another to defend it.
You must obey police orders, by fighting the police you are putting yourself, the officers, and innocent bystanders in danger by making the situation unpredictable. It is one of the only things you are fully in control of.
Stop making excuses, take responsibility, be a man.
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