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The vaccine is not 100% effective. No vaccine is. If you get COVID and pass it on to someone else (who may or may not be vaccinated), you are allowing for mutation which can then impact the vaccinated.
That being said, the business is not forcing you to take the vaccine, so your rights are not being violated. You are full within your rights to not take the vaccine.
1. first off this is not a vaccination..... it will not PREVENT you from getting the virus (like the measles vaccination), it only reduces the symptoms...like the flu shot
2. the effective rate is supposedly 95%...that is a good thing... but it still leave 5% that wont be covered
3. none of the current 'vaccination' are allowedfor children under 16.... moderna is running tests for 12-16, but does not have anything substantial yet
4. J&J just said that it may require a YEARLY shot
5. Both Pfizer and Moderna have stated they have no ideahow long the coverage will be for (could be less than 9 months)
6. IF...IF the coverage is less than 9 months...and it could take a year to get everyone and initial shot (just talking USA , pop just over 330mil, and they HOPE to be able to administer close to 1mil shots a day (they are not even close to that right now))..then just how with coverage of 9 months yet initial inoculations taking a year or more , just how will we EVER reach herd immunity
7. to the threads beginning.... I don't see how any company can make an experimental vaccination mandatory
some airlines are going to require you to get a vaccine to fly.
I think there's a misunderstanding here. They aren't stopping you from flying without the vaccine. They are simply stopping you from flying on their airline without the vaccine. You are still welcome to fly.
You should read this thread. I've already said that no one is coercing/forcing anyone to do anything. There's no invasion of privacy. If you don't want to share information, you're within your right to do just that.
ok ill go with the idea that in order to work in a place you have to get vaccinated even though I would never work in that place.
don't you think its going too far that in order to buy food (because every grocery store now requires vaccine papers) you need a vaccine?
so you believe in business rights. I get that my fear is instead of the government taking your rights away businesses can. now some are ok with a business requiring a vaccine but they are not ok with it being a condition for service. if you want to work in certain businesses you must take a vaccine but under no circumstance should you have to show your papers that you got vaccinated to enter a grocery store to buy food.
I believe that business owners have rights.
How are businesses taking your rights away? Which rights are they removing?
You don't have a right to work at any specific business. A a business refuses you employment, that's not violating your rights.
You also don't have a right to walk into any place of business and obtain service. If a business wants to refuse you service, they are not violating your rights.
I think there's a misunderstanding here. They aren't stopping you from flying without the vaccine. They are simply stopping you from flying on their airline without the vaccine. You are still welcome to fly.
So if the employer does not mandate the vaccine, an employee contracts Covid and spreads it to others, that employee should be put to death if someone else dies, right?
You don't have the right to be on other people's property on your terms.
The unvaccinated are a threat to others, the two vaccines currently in use are not 100% effective. Furthermore it's not your decision to decide what risks a employer should take. It's his business.
I know for damn sure if I'm shopping for a place for an elderly relative I'd be asking about what they are doing to prevent Covid infections and having all employees vaccinated would be high on my list of what I'd like to hear.
Basically you've decided not only is it your right not to get vaccinated but that the rights of businesses should be trampled on and government should forcibly make businesses endanger their customers and other employees to support your so called right.
1. first off this is not a vaccination..... it will not PREVENT you from getting the virus (like the measles vaccination), it only reduces the symptoms...like the flu shot
2. the effective rate is supposedly 95%...that is a good thing... but it still leave 5% that wont be covered
3. none of the current 'vaccination' are allowedfor children under 16.... moderna is running tests for 12-16, but does not have anything substantial yet
4. J&J just said that it may require a YEARLY shot
5. Both Pfizer and Moderna have stated they have no ideahow long the coverage will be for (could be less than 9 months)
6. IF...IF the coverage is less than 9 months...and it could take a year to get everyone and initial shot (just talking USA , pop just over 330mil, and they HOPE to be able to administer close to 1mil shots a day (they are not even close to that right now))..then just how with coverage of 9 months yet initial inoculations taking a year or more , just how will we EVER reach herd immunity
7. to the threads beginning.... I don't see how any company can make an experimental vaccination mandatory
1. Fair enough and good point.
2. Yes. I agree.
3. Ok.
4. Ok.
5. Ok.
6. Ok.
7. Why not?
I think you're assuming that we'll never have a normal vaccination or that the three we have today will be the only ones to exist. You or I cannot predict the future.
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