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Old 04-20-2021, 08:45 AM
 
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I think it's worth reading the Jury Instructions here:

https://mncourts.gov/mncourtsgov/med...ns04192021.pdf

Judge Cahill outlined the three different charges Derek Chauvin is facing: second-degree murder, third-degree murder, & second-degree manslaughter. He described the burden of proof necessary for the jury to find Derek Chauvin guilty of the charges. He also outlined what is considered reasonable and unlawful use of force for a police officer.

The jury is the trier of facts; it's their duty to decide the facts of this case. It is the Judge's duty to give the Jury the rules of law they must apply in arriving at a verdict.

Reading the jury's mind is a lot better. It's like reading my own mind or yours. No matter what our findings, we are in the grip of fear. Both of us will hand in a guilty verdict. There is no payback for doing the right thing.

Chauvin did the right thing. I would stand by him if I am not a coward.

 
Old 04-20-2021, 08:45 AM
 
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The rule of law is the fact that other causes contribute to a person's death does not relieve the defendant of criminal liability.
A superseding cause, such as the drug cocktail in his system that caused the heat attack that killed him, does however.

Even if the officer's actions contributed, the superseding cause would still eliminate criminal liability.
 
Old 04-20-2021, 08:47 AM
 
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What make sense to me is to give the benefit of the doubt to the police than to drug-addicted felons released from jail for armed robbery and driving around in a Mercedes.

Nothing makes sense to you if you are stuffed with feel good ideologies and don't have street smarts.
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You have the mindset of a Police Chief who throws his officers to the crowd looking for blood.
What makes sense period full stop is police reform, it helps police officers & civilians:

List of police reforms related to the George Floyd protests

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During the nationwide protests that followed the killing of George Floyd, protesters, politicians, religious leaders, and other groups called for police reform in the United States. This has led to laws, proposals, and public directives at all levels of government to address police misconduct and systemic racial bias, as well as police brutality in the United States.[1][2] Some of the common reforms involve bans on chokeholds and no-knock warrants, and improvements to police data collection procedures.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List...Floyd_protests
 
Old 04-20-2021, 08:48 AM
 
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Fentanyl, or a similar opioid, is used for induction of anesthesia for those getting an open bypass of their cardiac vessels because of their protective effect on the heart. We don't want the patient to have a heart attack during the surgery.

I did post research studies demonstrating this. My apologies as those studies were obviously too complex for you to understand.
By all means kid, double down on that dishonest stupidity, I'll be sure to tell the family members of those who die from heart attacks as a result of similar drug use that it couldn't have happened because the drugs were protecting them.

You have to realize that your dishonesty is making you look like a moron here.
 
Old 04-20-2021, 08:50 AM
 
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Then Chauvin should have acted to help a man that (in your words) "is obviously having a medical emergency." Instead, Chauvin finished him off.
He didn't though. Floyd overdosed himself. 0 is the safe amount of meth, in addition to that he was filled to the brim with fentanyl, his arteries were clogged more than half way. He died while fighting with police. Sorry brother you killed yourself. But on the bright side your family got paid out by the actual tax payers of mn. But lets all still burn loot and murder.
 
Old 04-20-2021, 08:50 AM
 
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I found them all, except Dr. Fowler, knowledgeable and credible.

What do you know? You are an anesthesiologist who has been displaying a disregard for professional ethics. Even Dr. Fowler knows well to defer to Dr. Tobin even though he knows that the latter is a fool.

Where did you go to school?
 
Old 04-20-2021, 08:51 AM
 
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A superseding cause, such as the drug cocktail in his system that caused the heat attack that killed him, does however.

Even if the officer's actions contributed, the superseding cause would still eliminate criminal liability.
A "superceding cause" is a cause that comes after a defendant's acts, alters the natural sequence of events, & is the sole cause of a result that would not otherwise have occurred.

Jury Instructions Document

https://mncourts.gov/mncourtsgov/med...ns04192021.pdf

https://www.mncourts.gov/media/State...avDerekChauvin
 
Old 04-20-2021, 08:54 AM
 
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again cops are not paramedics or doctors. They aren't trained to detect pulses and people who are trained still can't do it accurately
Police do have first responder medical training. One would assume that would include training to determine if a person has a pulse.
 
Old 04-20-2021, 08:56 AM
 
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A "superceding cause" is a cause that comes after a defendant's acts, alters the natural sequence of events, & is the sole cause of a result that would not otherwise have occurred.

Jury Instructions Document

https://mncourts.gov/mncourtsgov/med...ns04192021.pdf

https://www.mncourts.gov/media/State...avDerekChauvin
Yes, for example, the heart attack that came after the defendant's acts, brought on by the ingestion of a drug cocktail that altered the natural sequence of events and was the sole cause of events that would not otherwise have occurred.

If not for Floyd ingesting the drugs, he'd be alive today.
 
Old 04-20-2021, 08:57 AM
 
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He didn't though. Floyd overdosed himself. 0 is the safe amount of meth, in addition to that he was filled to the brim with fentanyl, his arteries were clogged more than half way. He died while fighting with police. Sorry brother you killed yourself. But on the bright side your family got paid out by the actual tax payers of mn. But lets all still burn loot and murder.

Can the Minneapolis city officials get away with that $27 million bribery to make Ben Crump go away? The way I see it, it is money laundering to funnel public funds to a special interest group.
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