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Old 04-16-2021, 12:37 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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In the meantime, the city once again braces for all hell to break loose, given the agitation in the streets. Mother pleads fir peace. Guess she does not realize the reaction has nothing to do with her son.

CPD is on high alert. Many businesses on/ near Michigan Ave are boarding up windows. City is ready to raise bridges and strategically position garbage trucks as barriers.

I hope the state Natl Guard are on standby to support CPD.
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Old 04-16-2021, 01:03 PM
 
Location: Hoosierville
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The LA radio stations seem to be convinced this was an unarmed child and that the police killed him because he was non-white. Nothing to do with chasing someone who had likely just used the gun and was trying to escape.
The family viewed the video on Tuesday and did not want it public - and they were pretty much silent on the content til it was actually released by COPA.

Speculation on Chgo talk radio was that it did not show the 13 year old in the best light - and they were right.

It's unfortunate that media outlets are fanning the flames.
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Old 04-16-2021, 01:21 PM
 
Location: Hoosierville
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Here's the big problem with the media:

https://www.marieclaire.com/politics...lice-shooting/

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On March 29, police in Chicago, Illinois chased 13-year old Adam Toledo down an alley and shot him, killing the unarmed seventh grader as he raised his hands. The recently released body camera footage shows police demanding that the young boy show them his hands. When he does, the cops fired.
Zero mention of a gun at all.

https://www.npr.org/2021/04/15/98771...ld-adam-toledo

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The boy, who is standing near a wooden fence, appears to stop, and at 2 minutes and 3 seconds, the officer commands, "Hands. Show me your f***ing hands!"

Toledo starts to turn to face the officer with his hands up, both empty.

A second later, the officer says, "Drop it," and quickly fires a single gunshot.
Again, NO mention of Toledo having a gun in his hand.

At this point, the media needs to be held criminally responsible for damage from any and all protests that happen as a result of their reporting.
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Old 04-16-2021, 01:42 PM
 
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Here's the big problem with the media:

https://www.marieclaire.com/politics...lice-shooting/



Zero mention of a gun at all.

https://www.npr.org/2021/04/15/98771...ld-adam-toledo



Again, NO mention of Toledo having a gun in his hand.

At this point, the media needs to be held criminally responsible for damage from any and all protests that happen as a result of their reporting.
And from USA Today: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...an/7250455002/

"CHICAGO – Outcry is growing after a watchdog agency released disturbing video Thursday of a Chicago police officer shooting 13-year-old Adam Toledo who appeared to have his hands up, casting doubt on prior accounts from police and city officials who initially described the incident as an "armed confrontation." "

Not only does not mention a gun, but implies there never was one.

I am sure there are plenty more examples.

At this point, I think some of these "news" organizations should have such status revoked, and classified as political activists organizations. They are not journalists, they are activists.
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Old 04-16-2021, 02:01 PM
 
Location: Rural Wisconsin
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From the OP link, quote for his mother (my italics) on the GoFundMe page:

"Adam had many dreams that he will never get to live out," Elizabeth Toledo, Adam's mother, wrote in a GoFundMe page. "Ironically one of his dreams was to become a police officer."

Toledo wrote that "another angel gained his wings way to soon." Adam enjoyed playing with legos and telling jokes, she wrote.


Mama's little darling was out at 2:30 a.m. carrying a gun, but maybe he was just practicing for his future career as a police officer. (Yeah, right.)

It seems to me that Mama was either totally clueless and/or is trying to spin her son's death into an opportunity for profit. Either way, I don't think she will be a candidate for "Mother of the Year."
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Old 04-16-2021, 02:03 PM
 
Location: Texas
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And from USA Today: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...an/7250455002/

"CHICAGO – Outcry is growing after a watchdog agency released disturbing video Thursday of a Chicago police officer shooting 13-year-old Adam Toledo who appeared to have his hands up, casting doubt on prior accounts from police and city officials who initially described the incident as an "armed confrontation." "

Not only does not mention a gun, but implies there never was one.

I am sure there are plenty more examples.

At this point, I think some of these "news" organizations should have such status revoked, and classified as political activists organizations. They are not journalists, they are activists.
This is crazy! It’s almost like they are doing this on purpose. They make it seem like he was just your everyday 13 yr old going on his daily 2:30 stroll and playing with his r/c cars while singing the latest Disney theme song.
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Old 04-16-2021, 02:04 PM
 
Location: Atlanta, GA
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Not only does not mention a gun
No that article does mention the gun, it says this:

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Surveillance video filmed from across a parking lot, also released Thursday, shows Adam tossing what appeared to be a gun behind the fence before turning toward Stillman.
So they are saying he tossed the gun before he turned to face the officer.

This is the critical question imo, if he had the gun in his hand when he turned, then clearly it's a justified shot. If not, then it's questionable.
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Old 04-16-2021, 02:13 PM
 
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No that article does mention the gun, it says this:



So they are saying he tossed the gun before he turned to face the officer.

This is the critical question imo, if he had the gun in his hand when he turned, then clearly it's a justified shot. If not, then it's questionable.
No, the quoted statement implied no gun, which is what I was addressing, then the part you quoted said "tossed behind the fence.." which was not what happened either, not what happened the way they described it, basically spinning it.
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Old 04-16-2021, 02:16 PM
 
Location: Atlanta, GA
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No, the quoted statement implied no gun
Your post implied the entire article did not mention the gun, which was false.

The gun was mentioned, but in a different context.

Assessing which of those contexts is correct will be the important point.
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Old 04-16-2021, 02:22 PM
 
Location: Honolulu/DMV Area/NYC
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The thing is we are doing Monday morning quarterbacking. Like when we can see a holding call that the ref didn't catch. The ref is watching in real time with no idea on whats going to happen next. We are watching, pausing, rewinding, zooming in, and everything else and go all day to decide.

That cop couldn't replay the scene in his mind multiple times, slow it down, zoom in, rewind, etc. and thing decide to shoot or don't shoot. He has to make the decision right then in the fraction of a second. The wrong decision could cost him his life.

I love reading the comments on FB. "Well, if i slow it down and zoom in, I can clearly see he didn't have the gun anymore!". NO $%&# Sherlock. How about you try doing that in real time why running and possibly getting shot at.
This should end the discussion (I know it won't) right here. Excellent post. Wish I could rep you again.
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