Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
How many people came to this country with even less after the 'game' and still made it just fine?
My parents sure didn't emigrate here on a gold jet in the 60's.
I don't doubt that that had some effect,..but the vision in my head is that it's these Waspy CaddyShack blonde hair blue eye snobs that had the benefits.
But there are vastly more 'normal' whites and minorities that all had to schlep their way through life and find their own level of success.
To lump today's whites in with those pre-Jim crow elites is a stretch , imho.
1960’s? I came here in the 1990’s with few possessions and $200. But I had a skill and came legally on a visa that said I had to leave when it expired.
What did I do? Work my #$@ off. Learn, work hard, work smarter. Parlayed that role into another role in another state - so I had to move as well. Then moved again. And again. Took risks.
I became a citizen in 2008. Raising kids now and still working hard.
My parents are both from Europe, my mother raised lower middle class and my father’s family essentially peasants. So no slavery or white privilege in my past.
Never collected any benefits and pay a huge amount in taxes. Spend my money here as the US is my country.
I am all for equity, but not unearned equity. I’ve learned in life that people who get something for nothing treat its value the same way - like it’s worth nothing.
When you're trained to "milk the cow" of pitiful circumstances, it's hard to remember when it was an embarrassment not to be independent, and self reliant.
Being indoctrinated to believe one is "entitled" to public charity paid for by taxpayers, makes one less willing to become a taxpayer.
Welcome to the PEOPLES DEMOCRATIC SOCIALIST REPUBLIC.
This statement is blatantly false. First of all, in many states its was illegal for blacks to own slaves. Virgina passed laws specifically outlawing it in the late 18th century. Other states followed suit. I think maybe only Louisiana was the exception
"This statement is blatantly false" Thank you for correcting me. I was wrong. My apologies
"So what do the actual numbers of black slave owners and their slaves tell us? In 1830, the year most carefully studied by Carter G. Woodson, about 13.7 percent (319,599) of the black population was free.Of these, 3,776 free Negroes owned 12,907 slaves, out of a total of 2,009,043 slaves owned in the entire United States, so the numbers of slaves owned by black people over all was quite small by comparison with the number owned by white people. In his essay, " 'The Known World' of Free Black Slaveholders," Thomas J. Pressly, using Woodson's statistics, calculated that 54 (or about 1 percent) of these black slave owners in 1830 owned between 20 and 84 slaves;172 (about 4 percent) owned between 10 to 19 slaves; and 3,550 (about 94 percent) each owned between 1 and 9 slaves. Crucially, 42 percent owned just one slave."
"Pressly also shows that the percentage of free black slave owners as the total number of free black heads of families was quite high in several states,namely 43 percent in South Carolina, 40 percent in Louisiana, 26 percent in Mississippi, 25 percent in Alabama and 20 percent in Georgia"
"Who Were These Black Slave Owners?
"Stanly owned three plantations and 163 slaves"
"William Ellison's fascinating story"
"Ellison was wealthier than nine out of 10 white people in South Carolina."
"By his death in 1860, he owned 900 acres of land and 63 slaves. Not one of his slaves was allowed to purchase his or her own freedom."
"By 1830, in Louisiana, several black people there owned a large number of slaves,"
"In Pointe Coupee Parish alone, Sophie Delhonde owned 38 slaves; Lefroix Decuire owned 59 slaves; Antoine Decuire owned 70 slaves; Leandre Severin owned 60 slaves; and Victor Duperon owned 10. In St. John the Baptist Parish, Victoire Deslondes owned 52 slaves; in Plaquemine Brule, Martin Donatto owned 75 slaves; in Bayou Teche, Jean B. Muillion owned 52 slaves; Martin Lenormand in St. Martin Parish owned 44 slaves; Verret Polen in West Baton Rouge Parish owned 69 slaves; Francis Jerod in Wa****a Parish owned 33 slaves; and Cecee McCarty in the Upper Suburbs of New Orleans owned 32 slaves. Incredibly, the 13 members of the Metoyer family in Natchitoches Parish -- including Nicolas Augustin Metoyer, pictured -- collectively owned 215 slaves."
And NOT just in Southern states.
"And for a time, free black people could even "own" the services of white indentured servants in Virginia as well. Free blacks owned slaves in Boston by 1724 and in Connecticut by 1783; by 1790, 48 black people in Maryland owned 143 slaves. One particularly notorious black Maryland farmer named Nat Butler "regularly purchased and sold Negroes for the Southern trade," Halliburton wrote.
There is more if you are interested.
My point is, all we EVER hear about from the media, many blacks, race hustlers and dem politicians is about the WHITES who owned slaves and NEVER a word about the many blacks who did.
So, let's tell the ENTIRE story and not just cherry pick the parts some like.
"shows that free black people have owned slaves "in each of the thirteen original states and later in every state that countenanced slavery,"
I have asked, and never get a response, surprise, surprise, If whites are going to pay "reparations" because of white slave owners, what do we do about all the BLACK slave owners?
How de we know if a black today had family own by a white or BLACK slave owner?
They do, actually. But you're not going to hear black people openly complain about other black people because they know they're feeding material to white racists.
"because they know" they will be called "Uncle Tom's" by their peers.
It’s still the default though, isn’t it?
The second a black person is killed by a cop, the usual suspects are rooting around trying to find reasons why that person deserved to be killed.
Far too many whites really don’t get that they approach virtually every situation that involves a black person from the mindset above.
Black person in the elevator?
They’ll take the next one.
No, OP you don’t owe anyone anything other than basic human decency.
Too much to ask?
"Far too many whites really don’t get that they approach virtually every situation that involves a black person from the mindset above."
"“There is nothing more painful to me at this stage in my life than to walk down the street and hear footsteps... then turn around and see somebody white and feel relieved.”
Yeah this is what a lot of people are struggling with. And people don't really see how much they really belittle black people.
Like the Chauvin case. You have people freakin out at the verdict. When it is so crystal clear that a guy knee was on a guys neck for 9 minutes. Whatever legal implications there may be. How is this act at all moral?
It's like you've humanized the officer but have completely dehumanized the victim. Or the most egregious example Philadro Castil. Where people say he was killed because he didn't comply. So is non-compliance a death sentence now? Is this our great and free society? Cop doesn't like what you say or do, so that's a justification to get killed?
Beyond politics, this mindset is vile. It lacks any morality or human decency. And people who think this way are completely toxic.
Yeah I get it there are a lot of things about BLM I don't like either. But people focus too much on political groups, and not enough on people getting their lives destroyed.
And people don't really see how much they really belittle WHITE people.
From Michael Brown to Trevon Martin and on and on and on.
The minute an indecent where a white was accused of doing something bad to a black person, Pres obama would IMMEDIATELY send in the FBI to "investigate" for a "hate crime. And NEVER when the races were reversed.
When ANY white disagrees with ANY black, they are IMMEDIATELY called a racist
Monopoly was used an analogy...and a useful one at that.
Many foreign immigrants leave their country for the U.S. already possessing skills and an education base that give them an edge in their new home.
Of course, we should all applaud immigrant success stories and we can all learn important lessons from their success. That doesn't negate the bolded part above.
"Normal whites" (whatever that means) came back from WWII and got the full benefits of the GI Bill. Black servicemen were not so fortunate.
I was just listening to Asmongold talking about "Ashes of Creation". It is a massively-multiplayer online video game where individual player decisions will have a permanent impact on the game world. This might sound good in theory, but that in the end it always means a bunch of jerks ruin the game.
The decisions of other people affect you. The idea that individuals are responsible for everything that happens in their lives is absurd.
No one is owed equality, period. But from a practical standpoint, it is probably a good idea.
The Civil War was not fought to end slavery. Almost none of the white men in the North would have fought a war to abolish slavery. Four Northern states had slavery throughout the Civil War. The fugitive-slave act continued to be enforced. Had the Civil War ended before 1863, slavery wouldn't have been abolished when it did. When blacks began to join the Union Army, white northerners rioted and refused to fight alongside them. And the emancipation proclamation didn't actually free a single slave. The 13th-amendment did.
1) I'm sure some people are owed some things.
2) Keep in mind that "society" is a hierarchy. As such, there will necessarily be people at the top, as well as at the bottom. This notion that everyone could be rich if they only worked hard enough is ridiculous.
True, but blacks didn't have a single ship that could make the transatlantic voyage. They're here because they were brought here by white people.
The government didn't just build an interstate for no apparent reason. Though I agree that eminent domain meets less political resistance when it goes through poor neighborhood. Plus it is a lot cheaper.
No one thinks it was moral. No one who could watch the video and not be disgusted. I think if Chauvin was a private-citizen he would be roundly condemned. But we tend to hold police to a different standard because violence is part of their job, and because treating them like ordinary citizens would make their job more dangerous if not impossible.
"The idea that individuals are responsible for everything that happens in their lives is absurd."
To claim that ANYBODY believes this is ABSURD!
"They're here because they were brought here by white people."
And not a SINGLE one of those blacks would be here if ANOTHER BLACK had NOT sold them!
Funny how "racists" NEVER want to talk about this FACT!
"Though I agree that eminent domain meets less political resistance when it goes through poor neighborhood. Plus it is a lot cheaper."
And it affected both blacks AND WHITES.
"I think" and your are ENTITLED to your OWN OPINION NOT you own FACTS.
Last edited by Quick Enough; 04-23-2021 at 06:16 AM..
There was too much in your post to respond to, some I agree with some not. I did see a historic inaccuracy though that bears mentioning. Only 3% of slaves landed in North America directly by white people. Most of the other 97% were shipped over to North and South America by Brazil and the Spanish. I guess it depends on how broad your definition of white people is. Are Spanish considered white? Some maybe? Brazilians I would think not? Sure, there was demand from the Southern states, but that was not all the demand.
" Sure, there was demand from the Southern states, but that was not all the demand."
Ever single one of the original 13 states had SLAVES.
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.
Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
