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Sorry, what the Government illustrated was an unproven conspiracy THEORY in which bunch of Arabs (hating our freedoms, naturally) masterminded an evil plot unnoticed by the intelligence of the most advanced nations. It doesn't hold the water. Al Qaeda, a child of CIA has 10,000 participants it's an estimate of whom? I don't think you need 10,000 people to "overlook" a thing or two. After all, according to government spokespeople "Amount of contradicting information prevented multibillion National Security Establishment from apprehending evil doers". Neither you or me have a clue how many people does it take to label information "contradicting" and take no action, but I doubt it's 10,000 people. I doubt it takes 10,000 people to suggest the idea into the right & eager ears.
Wow, through all of that, you still don't understand what the difference between a CONSPIRACY and a CONSPIRACY THEORY is.
Unproven?
You need to read the 9/11 Commission Report, the NIST Reports, the FEMA reports. The Pentagon Building performance report, the ASCE Engineering report. The reports done by Bazant and Zhou. The book "The Looming Tower". The book "Ghost Wars"
the Pilots were all known to the FBI as they were on various watch lists. They knew their backgrounds.
It would take on the order of over 10,000 people to pull of the job you dumb truthers are trying to make.
3000 people who died that day
400-500 workers were on the clean up piles
400 workers working at the Pentagon clean up
the over 1000 members of each airline involved
the over 1000 workers at each airport involved
Every single person in the FBI (over a few thousand)
Every single person in the police and fire department in Washington DC, New York City, New Jersey Port Authority, and Pennsylvania
The workers of the various DNA testing laboratories (four were involved), that are to this day, still identifying body parts, and human remains to put and identity to.
OUt of that many people, not one single person has come forward confirming ANY of truthes conpsiracy theories
YEs, it would TAKE that much to make your implausible scenario to happen.
It takes a crew of 20 people 3 months to wire a 20 story building for implosion.
Tell us how long it would take and how many people it would take to wire 2 110 story buildings the size of two football fields in space per floor, and 1 47 story building in the so called 1 day (against the claimed "power down" on Sunday).. And tell us why workers on that Monday following tha tweekend didn't notice the huge gaping holes in the walls in their offices.
For me, the governments actions/words/non-action/over-reactions speak for themselves. At the minimum, they knew it was going to happen.
Those who think it's impossible for the government to do this to their own people, may want to read up on the the Bay of Pigs - specifically what the CIA and military wanted to do. Thanks to JFK and Khrushchev the planet is still here.
For me, the governments actions/words/non-action/over-reactions speak for themselves. At the minimum, they knew it was going to happen.
Those who think it's impossible for the government to do this to their own people, may want to read up on the the Bay of Pigs - specifically what the CIA and military wanted to do. Thanks to JFK and Khrushchev the planet is still here.
supporting a conspiracy theory with another conspiracy theory.
Wow, through all of that, you still don't understand what the difference between a CONSPIRACY and a CONSPIRACY THEORY is.
Unproven?
It's very simple really. "Conspiracy" is two or more persons planning to commit an illegal act .... whereas "Theory" is simply a supposition or an idea to explain something ... like the "theory of relativity".
In today's distorted lexicon ... "Conspiracy Theory" is misused to depict thoughts and ideas of someone with a mental deficiency ... yet the irony is ... only those with a mental deficiency actually believe the term is legitimately used in that context.
The fact is ... all ideas about the events of 911 are by definition "Conspiracy Theories" ... even the official one provided by the government.
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You need to read the 9/11 Commission Report, the NIST Reports, the FEMA reports. The Pentagon Building performance report, the ASCE Engineering report. The reports done by Bazant and Zhou. The book "The Looming Tower". The book "Ghost Wars"
the Pilots were all known to the FBI as they were on various watch lists. They knew their backgrounds.
It would take on the order of over 10,000 people to pull of the job you dumb truthers are trying to make.
3000 people who died that day
400-500 workers were on the clean up piles
400 workers working at the Pentagon clean up
the over 1000 members of each airline involved
the over 1000 workers at each airport involved
Every single person in the FBI (over a few thousand)
Every single person in the police and fire department in Washington DC, New York City, New Jersey Port Authority, and Pennsylvania
The workers of the various DNA testing laboratories (four were involved), that are to this day, still identifying body parts, and human remains to put and identity to.
OUt of that many people, not one single person has come forward confirming ANY of truthes conpsiracy theories
YEs, it would TAKE that much to make your implausible scenario to happen.
Among the telltale signs of those who's mental deficiencies have them misusing the "Conspiracy Theory" label ... often manifest in outwardly obvious contradiction and illogical conclusion.
It is extremely dense to believe on one hand, only 19 secret terrorists + one leader hiding in a cave were required to execute the "mission" with such success, while insisting that it would take 10,000 or more of others to do the same thing.
Could not those 19 hijackers be hired by a small group of unnamed "others" to execute the task on their behalf? And would not that small group of conspirators be expected to do everything in their power to remain anonymous ... rather than come forward, after the fact ... and confess their crimes unnecessarily, and subject themselves to the dire consequences?
The fact is ... you cannot discern up from down if you believe criminals would come forward and confess their crimes. And that is what you seem to insinuate, that because they haven't done so, proves they don't exist?
A bank robbery was reported last year ... the robbers have yet to come forward and admit to robbing the bank. Does that mean the bank was not robbed, or the robbers don't exist?
And you have the nerve to question someone else's mental capacity?
Sad ... truly sad. Your thoughts on this matter are totally disconnected from reality, and demonstrate a complete absence of common "get out of the rain" sense.
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The fact is ... all ideas about the events of 911 are by definition "Conspiracy Theories" ... even the official one provided by the government.
wrong. the extensive research by the 9/11 comission report based on reports by the FBI and CIA, as well as other foreign intelligence makes it a CONSPIRACY.
A Conspiracy can still contain supposition and guesses on motives/reasons, and how, but the players are known. Espeically when those "players" have admitted to being the ones who are part of the crime
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Among the telltale signs of those who's mental deficiencies have them misusing the "Conspiracy Theory" label ... often manifest in outwardly obvious contradiction and illogical conclusion.
all of the theories proffered by 9/11 truthers are nothing but illogical suppostion and guesses, based no no evidence whatsoever.
Please..
Hologram planes?
no planes?
Space beam weapons?
Controlled demolition?
Thermite?
Nano-Thermite?
None of these proposed theories are logical and are so far gone from the truth, only the few selected those with mental deficiencies can give them any thought into it.
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It is extremely dense to believe on one hand, only 19 secret terrorists + one leader hiding in a cave were required to execute the "mission" with such success, while insisting that it would take 10,000 or more of others to do the same thing.
And this is where you show your RACISM. They weren't idiots who lived in a "cave" and only morons and racists would classify these EDUCATED men as being "cave" dwellers.
Many of them were educated and some were soldiers, with ties to other terrorist acts.
Khalid al-Mihdhar - a soldier who fought in the Bosnian War and in Afghanistan against the Taliban
Nawaf al-Hazmi - friend to Khalid, fought in the Bosnian war and in Afghanistan
Mohamed Mohamed el-Amir Awad el-Sayed Atta - one of the masterminds in the 9/11 attacks. Attended and graduated from Cairo University with a degree in ARCHITECTURE. Then moved to Germany and attended the Technical University of Hamburg-Harburg, where he studied the development and construction of high rise buildings in the Middle East
Waleed al-Shehri - Studied to become a teacher, but had to drop out due to helping his ill brother. He and his brother got tied up in training with known Al Quaeda training camps.
Wail al-Shehri - An Elementary School teacher who took a leave of absence and followed his brother into the training camps of Al Quaeda.
Abdulaziz al-Omari - graduated with honors from his high school and attended and graduated with a degree from Imam Muhammad Ibn Saud Islamic University.
Satam al-Suqami - Studied to become a Lawyer at King Saud University, but was recruited by Al Quaeda before he finished.
Marwan al-Shehhi - attended school in Germany where he met Mohamed Atta and his radical anti-American beliefs started with their meetings they had every week while they attended school.
Fayez Banihammad - was interested in doing relief work for the International Islamic Relief Organization, but then was recruited to Al Quaeda a short time later.
Mohand al-Shehri - attended Imam Muhammed Ibn Saud Islamic University, to study religion, but his turn to Wahhabiism was what attracted Al Quaeda to him. He trained to fly and was one of the pilots on UA Flight 175
Hamza al-Ghamdi - a religious man who went straight to training with the Al Quaeda
Hani Hanjour - Attended the Univeristy of Arizona, The University of California to learn English and then trained to be pilot and graduated with a commercial pilots degree. He moved back to Saudi Arabia and got a job as a commercial pilot.
Majed Moqed - was studying law at a university in Saudi Arabia before joining Al-Qaeda in 1999
Salem al-Hazmi - a soldier who was the youngest of the terrorists, who was a soldier.
Ziad Jarrah - studied aerospace engineering at the Fachhochschule (University of Applied Sciences) in Hamburg
Ahmed al-Haznawi - brought up in a religious home, went with his brother and to train with Al Quaeda
Ahmed al-Nami - he enrolled in the King Khaled University at Abha to study Sharia.
Saeed al-Ghamdi - attended college, but dropped out and lost contact with his family, then re-emerged as a soldier fighting in the wars in Chechnya
Only racists would classify these men as those who conspired in a cave. Most of the planning happened in GERMANY by the Hamburg Cell of Al Quaeda (lead by Atta), and then these plans were brought back to Al Quaeda to help OBL in his plans to "bring down the west".
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Could not those 19 hijackers be hired by a small group of unnamed "others" to execute the task on their behalf?
Their history with Al Quaeda was followed and known. "unnamed"? They had ties to Al Quaeda cells across the world, 5 of them to the Germany cell in Hamburg, where they attended school there and had jobs there.
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A bank robbery was reported last year ... the robbers have yet to come forward and admit to robbing the bank. Does that mean the bank was not robbed, or the robbers don't exist?
and what does this have to do with a plan, involving over 10,000 people just to pull of to make any of the 911 truther theories possible?
It took 2 men to bring down Nixon in the Watergate Scandal less than 2 years.
It took 4 women to bring down Bill Clinton in blow job gate, in less than 7 years.
The kind of secret to keep quite for more than 10 years about 9/11? Impossible. Someone would have come forward by now.
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And you have the nerve to question someone else's mental capacity
Sad ... truly sad. Your thoughts on this matter are totally disconnected from reality, and demonstrate a complete absence of common "get out of the rain" sense.
the only disconnect on thoughts are shown here are by the 911 truther morons.
They rather believe in hologram planes, space beams from outer space, no planes and plans that would require our entire army in order to pull off
Rather than simply 19 hijakcers who planned for several years since the 1993 WTC bombing, to crash airplanes into two of the US Tallest buildings in the world.
Arus, may I suggest that you just ignore his next round of attacks and let the thread die naturally? I mean, you're talking to a man firmly convinced that micro bursts have nothing to do with weather.
wrong. the extensive research by the 9/11 comission report based on reports by the FBI and CIA, as well as other foreign intelligence makes it a CONSPIRACY.
A Conspiracy can still contain supposition and guesses on motives/reasons, and how, but the players are known. Espeically when those "players" have admitted to being the ones who are part of the crime
all of the theories proffered by 9/11 truthers are nothing but illogical suppostion and guesses, based no no evidence whatsoever.
Please..
Hologram planes?
no planes?
Space beam weapons?
Controlled demolition?
Thermite?
Nano-Thermite?
None of these proposed theories are logical and are so far gone from the truth, only the few selected those with mental deficiencies can give them any thought into it.
And this is where you show your RACISM. They weren't idiots who lived in a "cave" and only morons and racists would classify these EDUCATED men as being "cave" dwellers.
Many of them were educated and some were soldiers, with ties to other terrorist acts.
Khalid al-Mihdhar - a soldier who fought in the Bosnian War and in Afghanistan against the Taliban
Nawaf al-Hazmi - friend to Khalid, fought in the Bosnian war and in Afghanistan
Mohamed Mohamed el-Amir Awad el-Sayed Atta - one of the masterminds in the 9/11 attacks. Attended and graduated from Cairo University with a degree in ARCHITECTURE. Then moved to Germany and attended the Technical University of Hamburg-Harburg, where he studied the development and construction of high rise buildings in the Middle East
Waleed al-Shehri - Studied to become a teacher, but had to drop out due to helping his ill brother. He and his brother got tied up in training with known Al Quaeda training camps.
Wail al-Shehri - An Elementary School teacher who took a leave of absence and followed his brother into the training camps of Al Quaeda.
Abdulaziz al-Omari - graduated with honors from his high school and attended and graduated with a degree from Imam Muhammad Ibn Saud Islamic University.
Satam al-Suqami - Studied to become a Lawyer at King Saud University, but was recruited by Al Quaeda before he finished.
Marwan al-Shehhi - attended school in Germany where he met Mohamed Atta and his radical anti-American beliefs started with their meetings they had every week while they attended school.
Fayez Banihammad - was interested in doing relief work for the International Islamic Relief Organization, but then was recruited to Al Quaeda a short time later.
Mohand al-Shehri - attended Imam Muhammed Ibn Saud Islamic University, to study religion, but his turn to Wahhabiism was what attracted Al Quaeda to him. He trained to fly and was one of the pilots on UA Flight 175
Hamza al-Ghamdi - a religious man who went straight to training with the Al Quaeda
Hani Hanjour - Attended the Univeristy of Arizona, The University of California to learn English and then trained to be pilot and graduated with a commercial pilots degree. He moved back to Saudi Arabia and got a job as a commercial pilot.
Majed Moqed - was studying law at a university in Saudi Arabia before joining Al-Qaeda in 1999
Salem al-Hazmi - a soldier who was the youngest of the terrorists, who was a soldier.
Ziad Jarrah - studied aerospace engineering at the Fachhochschule (University of Applied Sciences) in Hamburg
Ahmed al-Haznawi - brought up in a religious home, went with his brother and to train with Al Quaeda
Ahmed al-Nami - he enrolled in the King Khaled University at Abha to study Sharia.
Saeed al-Ghamdi - attended college, but dropped out and lost contact with his family, then re-emerged as a soldier fighting in the wars in Chechnya
Only racists would classify these men as those who conspired in a cave. Most of the planning happened in GERMANY by the Hamburg Cell of Al Quaeda (lead by Atta), and then these plans were brought back to Al Quaeda to help OBL in his plans to "bring down the west".
Their history with Al Quaeda was followed and known. "unnamed"? They had ties to Al Quaeda cells across the world, 5 of them to the Germany cell in Hamburg, where they attended school there and had jobs there.
and what does this have to do with a plan, involving over 10,000 people just to pull of to make any of the 911 truther theories possible?
It took 2 men to bring down Nixon in the Watergate Scandal less than 2 years.
It took 4 women to bring down Bill Clinton in blow job gate, in less than 7 years.
The kind of secret to keep quite for more than 10 years about 9/11? Impossible. Someone would have come forward by now.
the only disconnect on thoughts are shown here are by the 911 truther morons.
They rather believe in hologram planes, space beams from outer space, no planes and plans that would require our entire army in order to pull off
Rather than simply 19 hijakcers who planned for several years since the 1993 WTC bombing, to crash airplanes into two of the US Tallest buildings in the world.
Some hijack 'suspects' alive and well?
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Hijack 'suspects' alive and well
A man called Waleed Al Shehri says he left the US a year ago
Another of the men named by the FBI as a hijacker in the suicide attacks on Washington and New York has turned up alive and well............
........Abdulaziz Al Omari, another of the Flight 11 hijack suspects, has also been quoted in Arab news reports.
He says he is an engineer with Saudi Telecoms, and that he lost his passport while studying in Denver....
...
Following are URLs from Britain's BBC, Telegraph, Independent and another news outlets about some of the FBI (wrongly identified) Hijackers found alive...
News Telegraph.uk... September, 23, 2001 Revealed: The Men With Stolen Identities http://www.portal.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2001/09/23/widen23.x ml (http://www.portal.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2001/09/23/widen23.x%20ml - broken link)
The Independent.uk... September 17, 2001 'Suicide Hijacker' Is An Airline Pilot Alive And Well In Jeddah
http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle_east/ (http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle_east/story.jsp?dir=75&story=94438&hos%20t=3&printable=1 - broken link)
And this is where you show your RACISM. They weren't idiots who lived in a "cave" and only morons and racists would classify these EDUCATED men as being "cave" dwellers.
I cut the remainder of this brain dead diatribe because it's such a huge FAIL.
I said ... It is extremely dense to believe on one hand, only 19 secret terrorists + one leader hiding in a cave were required to execute the "mission" with such success, while insisting that it would take 10,000 or more of others to do the same thing.
Now that is what the Official Story said ... that Osama Bin Laden's hideout was in a cave in the mountains of Afghanistan .... not my story ... YOUR STORY .... and has nothing to do with racism .... it was the story told.
BTW ... I reject that fairytale 100% ....
Now I noticed that when confronted with pure logic and a question you don't want to answer ... you play your little racism game.
I'll ask again .... if 19 hijackers commanded by Osama Bin Laden could pull off this caper all by themselves ..... why would it take 10,000 of another group to do it?
And .... why couldn't a small group hire and finance those 19 hijackers to perform the attack?
Answer the question !
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