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Old 08-21-2021, 07:13 PM
 
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Yes if they pulled out in May it would have been fine.

The only difference would be the disaster would have been moved up 3 months but go one believing this would have been successful.

Other parts of that agreement were that the Taliban wouldn't allow Al-Qaeda in Afghanistan, no violence in against citizens and power sharing with the Afghan government.
In May the Taliban weren't on the outskirts of Kabul .They were just coming out of the mountains and had not joined up like they are now ..By delaying the withdrawal Biden gave the Taliban time to group and attack in mass.
Apparently like in most things by our current President ,he has been asleep, and delaying action when he should have been awake.
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Old 08-21-2021, 07:15 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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In May the Taliban weren't on the outskirts of Kabul .They were just coming out of the mountains and had not joined up like they are now ..By delaying the withdrawal Biden gave the Taliban time to group and attack in mass.
Apparently like in most things by our current President ,he has been asleep, and delaying action when he should have been awake.
Yea, that's all good and well but Pompeo literally gave the Taliban permission.
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Old 08-21-2021, 07:19 PM
 
Location: Suburb of Chicago
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Yea, that's all good and well but Pompeo literally gave the Taliban permission.
If that were the case, why didn't Biden change the plan? He's changed everything else that had Trump's fingerprints on it.
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Old 08-21-2021, 07:20 PM
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Bush literally did that for Iraq…. And we STILL have troops in Iraq.

The notion that this was inevitable is silly. This was not inevitable.
In that part of the world alliances are not as finely drawn as other places. Just because something worked or didn't work in Iraq has no bearing on what will work in; Syria, Pakistan or Afghanistan. As long as we were fighting the Taliban the Afghan army had no problem fighting with us, now that we are gone they have to align them selves with the Taliban to perhaps fight another enemy. The Iraqi army did the same thing for US forces that the Afghan army did for the Taliban, lay down their weapons and join or surender to the invaders.
We have no friends in that part of world, neither do they who live there.
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Old 08-21-2021, 07:24 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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If that were the case, why didn't Biden change the plan? He's changed everything else that had Trump's fingerprints on it.
I ask that same question over and over. Biden owns this botched evacuation.....Period. The agreement the previous administration made majorly contributed to this debacle.
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Old 08-21-2021, 07:27 PM
 
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I ask that same question over and over. Biden owns this botched evacuation.....Period. The agreement the previous administration made majorly contributed to this debacle.
Then really, John, don't you think you have to stop blaming the previous administration? All of this could have had a different outcome if Biden had done his job.

Even now, he's not doing enough to get our people out. It's shameful.
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Old 08-21-2021, 07:29 PM
 
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1. Biden broke that agreement.

2. Trump's agreement was made in February 2020. Biden literally campaigned saying he was the one to put your faith in to get it done and he had 14 months to make plans for that deadline. Then he extended giving himself more months.

3. Biden removed foreign contractors which crippled and grounded the Afghan air force.

4. Biden killed off the crisis response team, which was a dunce move to do before the withdrawal.

5. Biden Ignored our biggest ally's prime minister who called repeatedly for 36 hours, because he was on vacay and too busy with naps and ice cream snacks.

6. Biden has repeatedly fed the country inaccurate information, too much to easily count. Is he lying? Senile? Kept out of the loop?

7. Biden had in July said that the withdrawal was all his. Shifting the praise to him for getting it done away from Trump when he thought it would go well.

8. Kamala bragged that she played a key role in making decisions on the withdrawal, also before it went south.

9. Biden has generally avoided open forums where press can ask him pointed questions on his failures with this.

10. Tried to go back on vacay, until public opinion put a stop to it.

11. Woke General Milley is reportedly very frustrated with Biden.

12. He has not encouraged confidence, certainly not with the British parliament that held him in contempt.

13. His administration was going to charge each American evacuated $2,000 a head so a family of 5 would get charged $10K and Afghans nothing. Not a good look. Public opinion put a stop to it.

14. China and Russia are watching Biden closely.

Trump hasn't been president for 7 months and Biden literally campaigned on getting this specific withdrawal done.

Orange man bad, (D) good.

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Old 08-21-2021, 07:30 PM
 
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Then really, John, don't you think you have to stop blaming the previous administration? All of this could have had a different outcome if Biden had done his job.

Even now, he's not doing enough to get our people out. It's shameful.
They keep forgetting Trump isn’t president.
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Old 08-21-2021, 07:32 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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Then really, John, don't you think you have to stop blaming the previous administration? All of this could have had a different outcome if Biden had done his job.

Even now, he's not doing enough to get our people out. It's shameful.
As I stated before many times...Biden owns this botched evacuation.....but are you going to dump 20 years of Afghanistan policy incompetence on Biden alone??? This whole thing has fingerprints of four presidents all over it. Do we overlook that???
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Old 08-21-2021, 07:33 PM
 
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If that were the case, why didn't Biden change the plan? He's changed everything else that had Trump's fingerprints on it.
Biden didn’t evacuate the American civilians and interpreters and their families, Trump would have done that, Trump also threatened to drop a bomb in the leaders home. They aren’t afraid of Biden.
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