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Like choice, vaccinating and mask wearing is a choice. Like pregnancy you suffer consequences not being vaccinated. Be that getting fired, not being able to travel. Unlike pregnancy covid is a contagious disease that people die from. You can debate the odds, the survival rate, take your chances as millions are. I choose to be vaccinated.
So you would be okay with a state of federal law that requires the immediate firing of any employee that has an abortion? I'm intrigued. Please elaborate.
To be clear, Joe Biden is currently trying to force employers to fire anyone who is unvaccinated. He is trying to force everyone to wear masks when he says they should. (For the record, I'm vaccinated and think it's the right choice, but I do think people should have the right to choose.) So unless you're willing to denounce Biden's mad fascist power grab, then your entire argument falls apart. If a pregnant woman has the right to kill the human life growing inside her, then every human being has the right to risk human lives -- mostly their own -- by refusing to mask up and refusing to be vaccinated. "My body my choice" either always applies or it never applies. So which side of that argument are you really on?
False equivalency. A fetus is not a child and it's illegal to kill a toddler. And before you fall back on that fetal homicide law argument, that only applies to fetuses which are past the point of viability, at a stage in which an abortion would not be performed.
Nope. In TX it's from the moment of conception. Other states are the same, as well.
As soon as the courts accepted fetal homicide laws, the legal precedent was set that an unborn child is a human life equal to that of any other person. Just ask anyone convicted of TWO separate murders for killing a pregnant woman.
The Supreme Court has struck down any challenge to abortion rights based on fetal homicide laws.
Most fetal homicides explicitly exclude legal abortion as fetal homicide.
False equivalency. A fetus is not a child and it's illegal to kill a toddler. And before you fall back on that fetal homicide law argument, that only applies to fetuses which are past the point of viability, at a stage in which an abortion would not be performed.
The truly fascinating thing about the modern Abortion Holocaust is how similar it is to past holocausts.
The Ottoman Turks deemed Armenian and Assyrian Christians subhuman, thereby making it okay to kill them.
Hitler deemed Jews and others as nonhuman and suddenly it's okay to eradicate them.
Belgium's King Leopold II decided that native African Congolese were subhuman and proceeded to work about 10 million of them to death in forced labor camps.
Every Communist mass-murder started with dehumanizing those who were to be murdered en masse.
The entire abortion debate stands on the same foundation: Some human being are no longer human beings and can now be killed without consequence.
Who exactly gets to legally recognize who has a right to live and who doesn't? If an adult shoots another adult, who decides whether it was self defense? Who decides whether an accidental death should be deemed manslaughter? Who decides where the border between legal exchange of property and theft is? Whose job is it to determine whether one or more child is in too much danger where they are living and removes said children from their parents?
All of these questions and rights to human life and property are the purview of the State Governments. The federal government has no standing and no say in the matter.
But in only one specific matter, the Supreme Court decided that State Governments do not have the right to define a damn thing: Abortion, pregnancy, and when a human being's right to live begins. The reference to "Right to Privacy" is laughable as this same court has deemed it our government's right to endlessly electronically spy on everything we do and say. The Supreme Court clearly couldn't care less about the Right to Privacy. So we are left with one branch of the federal government snatching power for itself that was never granted to it by the Constitution of the United States. The States want to set the legal definition of human life. The Supreme Court won't let them.
The only difference between murdering a toddler in order to escape the incumbent parasitic relationship and murdering an unborn baby comes down to "My body, my choice" which the Left no longer believes in as we can see with vaccine mandates and mask mandates. If bodily autonomy the argument were the argument, then that might be something, but the Left has now abandoned that argument so it's moot. Zero difference between murdering a toddler and an unborn baby. Just a 5-4 SCOTUS ruling that is about as legit as the Dredd Scott decision.
That’s exactly what Texas and the rest of the anti choice people are doing. Trying to change the law. You don’t like the law, change it. Your argument are subjective when you toss in the courts don’t care about privacy. Vaccine is not abortion nor comparable. A person has the right to life when it is born. A pregnancy is not a guarantee of life.
The Supreme Court has struck down any challenge to abortion rights based on fetal homicide laws.
Time to strike down fetal homicide laws on the basis of an Equal Rights Clause violation. Carving out an exception for some members of the general public but not others to commit a homicide that is otherwise a crime is unconstitutional. They also can be shown to be a violation of the Civil Rights Act as all men are subject to prosecution but all women are not. Sex-based discrimination.
So you would be okay with a state of federal law that requires the immediate firing of any employee that has an abortion? I'm intrigued. Please elaborate.
To be clear, Joe Biden is currently trying to force employers to fire anyone who is unvaccinated. He is trying to force everyone to wear masks when he says they should. (For the record, I'm vaccinated and think it's the right choice, but I do think people should have the right to choose.) So unless you're willing to denounce Biden's mad fascist power grab, then your entire argument falls apart. If a pregnant woman has the right to kill the human life growing inside her, then every human being has the right to risk human lives -- mostly their own -- by refusing to mask up and refusing to be vaccinated. "My body my choice" either always applies or it never applies. So which side of that argument are you really on?
Off topic. As stated don’t want the vac don’t take it. Like an unwanted pregnancy taken to term you the individual face the consequences alone. Ya stand by your conviction and live life on your terms. A woman’s life is also her own. I can pose a question to you. You don’t want to vaccinate or wear a mask. It’s a small inconvenience for your body. But your ok with forcing a woman to remain pregnant and all that entails? How does that work?
What are the reasons abortion advocates want pregnant women who don't want their babies, to kill their unborn babies, when alternative plans such as offering the child up for adoption are available? What have you found to justify such deliberate killing?
I suggested in another thread (an odd one suggesting "compromise for abortion") that many of them do it for reasons of either convenience or irresponsibility. Predictably, I was called names and told my ideas were "disgusting". And then that thread got closed.
So, you abortion advocates who want pregnant women to kill their unborn babies rather than give birth and offer them up for adoption (or other such plan), please tell us your reasons.
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How many orphans have YOU personally fostered? Whats your skin in this game?
That’s exactly what Texas and the rest of the anti choice people are doing. Trying to change the law. You don’t like the law, change it. Your argument are subjective when you toss in the courts don’t care about privacy. Vaccine is not abortion nor comparable. A person has the right to life when it is born. A pregnancy is not a guarantee of life.
Please cite the law where human life is defined as beginning at birth. I'm unaware of any such law.
And pregnancy is just like all other stages of life. I might get hit by a car and die tomorrow through no fault of my own. A woman might miscarry at 5 months.
But as civilized human beings, we've made it a rule that we're not allowed to intentionally snuff out the life of another human being.
A person refusing to vaccinate is not overtly harming anyone. COVID-19 is the thing that is hurting people. We haven't banned people from drinking, smoking, consuming caffeine, being morbidly obese, etc. in spite of the rather obvious fact that these all cause people to die. The list of things that should be banned "because you or others might die" should logically include driving a car, or even leaving your home ever. A person refusing vaccination is no different than a smoker or an alcoholic: The person has the right to continue to engage in risky behavior and nobody has the right to stop them. I think most people should be vaccinated. When it comes to people under 18, I need to see more data since COVID-19 almost never seriously affects children, but I'm still open to the idea. But I do not have the right to tell anyone what they can or cannot do with their own bodies.
A pregnant woman is two bodies and two human lives. That's the difference.
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