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Makes no difference. Fetal homicide laws codify killing a fetus as homicide, same as killing a toddler. Why women get an exception to that is odd as that's unconstitutional. It violates the Equal Protection Clause. Either anyone can kill an unborn child or no one can. Can't have it both ways.
Toddlers have already been born. Fetuses have not.
Women like a man, can control her reproduction as she wants. She can control it before or after sex, she can give birth adopt or abort. Her choice your opinions mean nothing to her.
Mind your own sperm men. Women can mind their own uterus.
The question at hand has nothing to do with a uterus, ovaries, testicles, eggs or sperm. There is a living being. That is what is at issue. One side wants to exclaim from the rooftops that the life form in question has the right to live. The other side of wants to exclaim from the rooftops ... well a variety of contradictory things:
It's not alive. It's a fetus, which is an unliving pile of useless garbage ... unless of course the pregnant woman decides that it is not an unliving pile of useless garbage, at which point it's 100% human.
It is alive, but isn't human. Nobody really knows what species it is, but it's definitely not human.
It is human, but falls into a special category of humans -- ones that do not have the fundamental right to not be killed
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Toddlers are completely incapable of sustaining their own life. Without active help adults, they will definitely die. So logically, they're a parasite that is an undue burden on their parents. The same logic that allows one to murder an unborn baby would logically apply. If you're fed up with your toddler and want to opt out of the parasitic relationship, just kill it.
Very curious to know if, "My body my choice" actually applies to vaccines and wearing masks. The Left certainly does champion the cause of forcing people to do things with their bodies, so their core argument against abortion is null and void.
Just as parents can't use that as valid excuse to kill a toddler, it can't be used to kill an unborn child.
Again your subjective opinion isn’t law, nor does it matter to the individual. A toddler is a fully realized person a fetus isn’t. Women do abort because they can’t support a child. Their opinion is the one that matters
Again your subjective opinion isn’t law, nor does it matter to the individual. A toddler is a fully realized person a fetus isn’t. Women do abort because they can’t support a child. Their opinion is the one that matters
As soon as the courts accepted fetal homicide laws, the legal precedent was set that an unborn child is a human life equal to that of any other person. Just ask anyone convicted of TWO separate murders for killing a pregnant woman.
The question at hand has nothing to do with a uterus, ovaries, testicles, eggs or sperm. There is a living being. That is what is at issue. One side wants to exclaim from the rooftops that the life form in question has the right to live. The other side of wants to exclaim from the rooftops ... well a variety of contradictory things:
It's not alive. It's a fetus, which is an unliving pile of useless garbage ... unless of course the pregnant woman decides that it is not an unliving pile of useless garbage, at which point it's 100% human.
It is alive, but isn't human. Nobody really knows what species it is, but it's definitely not human.
It is human, but falls into a special category of humans -- ones that do not have the fundamental right to not be killed
.
Toddlers are completely incapable of sustaining their own life. Without active help adults, they will definitely die. So logically, they're a parasite that is an undue burden on their parents. The same logic that allows one to murder an unborn baby would logically apply. If you're fed up with your toddler and want to opt out of the parasitic relationship, just kill it.
Very curious to know if, "My body my choice" actually applies to vaccines and wearing masks. The Left certainly does champion the cause of forcing people to do things with their bodies, so their core argument against abortion is null and void.
How a woman views her pregnancy is individual. How a woman views abortion is individual. That’s why we have choice. Your list, descriptive words and why’s doesn’t matter. Women have the right to medical privacy as well as the right to choice.
Think hmmmm. Newborns, toddlers, elderly, disabled can all be taken care of by anyone who wants the job. Not so with carrying a pregnancy. That’s on a specific individual. No changing that fact.
Like choice, vaccinating and mask wearing is a choice. Like pregnancy you suffer consequences not being vaccinated. Be that getting fired, not being able to travel. Unlike pregnancy covid is a contagious disease that people die from. You can debate the odds, the survival rate, take your chances as millions are. I choose to be vaccinated.
As soon as the courts accepted fetal homicide laws, the legal precedent was set that an unborn child is a human life equal to that of any other person. Just ask anyone convicted of TWO separate murders for killing a pregnant woman.
You keep saying that doesn’t make it so or it would happen before now. Go to law school
Convenience? What about money? It costs money to raise a child. Conservatives want to have it both ways. They want to make abortion illegal, remove insurance coverage for birth control, keep wages low, and then refuse welfare benefits for poor parents because they're "lazy." Oh no, these children deserve to live in poverty because punishing poor mothers will teach them morality and the value of hard work.
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Just as parents can't use that as valid excuse to kill a toddler, it can't be used to kill an unborn child.
False equivalency. A fetus is not a child and it's illegal to kill a toddler. And before you fall back on that fetal homicide law argument, that only applies to fetuses which are past the point of viability, at a stage in which an abortion would not be performed.
False equivalency. A fetus is not a child and it's illegal to kill a toddler. And before you fall back on that fetal homicide law argument, that only applies to fetuses which are past the point of viability, at a stage in which an abortion would not be performed.
Thank you Scooby for pointing out the distinction, saving informed tuition.
Again your subjective opinion isn’t law, nor does it matter to the individual. A toddler is a fully realized person a fetus isn’t. Women do abort because they can’t support a child. Their opinion is the one that matters
Who exactly gets to legally recognize who has a right to live and who doesn't? If an adult shoots another adult, who decides whether it was self defense? Who decides whether an accidental death should be deemed manslaughter? Who decides where the border between legal exchange of property and theft is? Whose job is it to determine whether one or more child is in too much danger where they are living and removes said children from their parents?
All of these questions and rights to human life and property are the purview of the State Governments. The federal government has no standing and no say in the matter.
But in only one specific matter, the Supreme Court decided that State Governments do not have the right to define a damn thing: Abortion, pregnancy, and when a human being's right to live begins. The reference to "Right to Privacy" is laughable as this same court has deemed it our government's right to endlessly electronically spy on everything we do and say. The Supreme Court clearly couldn't care less about the Right to Privacy. So we are left with one branch of the federal government snatching power for itself that was never granted to it by the Constitution of the United States. The States want to set the legal definition of human life. The Supreme Court won't let them.
The only difference between murdering a toddler in order to escape the incumbent parasitic relationship and murdering an unborn baby comes down to "My body, my choice" which the Left no longer believes in as we can see with vaccine mandates and mask mandates. If bodily autonomy the argument were the argument, then that might be something, but the Left has now abandoned that argument so it's moot. Zero difference between murdering a toddler and an unborn baby. Just a 5-4 SCOTUS ruling that is about as legit as the Dredd Scott decision.
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