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Old 10-27-2021, 11:37 AM
 
Location: Live:Downtown Phoenix, AZ/Work:Greater Los Angeles, CA
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As I've said before. Feel free to fund single payer healthcare and subsidized college out of your own pocket. But stay the hell out of mine.
I don't have enough money to pay out of pocket for my own healthcare let alone anyone elses, so that's a non starter. But single payer healthcare is going to come to this country. Give it 15 to 20 years. If you're still alive, what will you do about it? Leave the country? Stop paying taxes and go to prison?
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Old 10-27-2021, 11:37 AM
 
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[quote=workingclasshero;62197525]Stalin called FDR in Dec 1933, "a decided and courageous leader." In 1934 he praised FDR's "initiative, courage and determination".


FDR defined Freedom of Religion as Stalin did.

FDR defined Freedom of Speech as Stalin did, i.e. he used the Marxist formulation 'Freedom of Information' in his speeches.

FDR pressed a bill to eliminate the right to bear arms, the guarantee of all others.

FDR told Churchill that "an unwritten Constitution is better than a written one." When reminded there was the Constitution, FDR said after his 1936 inauguration "Yes, but it's the Constitution as I understand it - flexible enough (to do what he wanted)." .......( much like Obama also stated) ....He admiringly told Churchill that Stalin didn't have to worry about Congresses and Parliaments, "he's the whole works." In a letter to a member of the House Ways and Means Committee, FDR wrote- " I hope your committee will not permit doubt as to Constitutionality, however reasonable, to block the suggested legislation." FDR did not believe in Constitutional checks and balances - he tried to destroy and was prepared to defy the Supreme Court and Congress. He did not believe in advise and consent or the rule of law - he waged war and made treaties without Congressional approval. He did not believe in representative democracy and often said that since Congress did not reflect the will of the people they should be ignored.


Probably the best exposition of FDR's procedures regarding the rule of law vs the rule of men was said by his top deputy, KGB agent Harry Hopkins, to his aides - "I want to assure you that we are not afraid of exploring anything within the law, and we have here a lawyer who will declare anything you want to do legal."

FDR defined democracy just as Joseph Stalin did - as the mere act of voting. (Of course he believed it was good to lie to the people to influence their votes. He also engaged in vote fraud - he won the 1928 NY Governor's race solely with massive vote fraud in Buffalo.) In a famous speech FDR said "The truth of the matter was that the public neither knew or understood what was involved...In other words, public opinion would be easy to manipulate." So much for the public will.















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A Marxist begins with his prime truth that all evils are caused by the capitalists. From this he logically proceeds to the revolution to end capitalism, then into the third stage of reorganization into a new social order , and finally the last stage -- the political paradise of communism." Saul alinski
socialism...big government...anti capitalist

fascism... big government...anti capitalist

Three New Deals: Why the Nazis and Fascists Loved FDR - David Gordon - Mises Daily




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"""Fascism is a system in which the government leaves nominal ownership of the means of production in the hands of private individuals but exercises control by means of regulatory legislation and reaps most of the profit by means of heavy taxation. In effect, fascism is simply a more subtle form of government ownership than is socialism.""" Mussolini



the NASI's were the Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei (National Socialist German Workers’ Party) and they are very close to the MODERN liberal





hitler came into power as the candidate of 'hope and change',, his plans slowly moved from being helpful to dreadful..........

simple things like 'nationalizing' corporations, removing the guns from the people,,blame the jews (or the modern version 'the zionists'),,duty of the state(government) to PROVIDE for the people,,division of profits (redistribution of wealth), nationalized health care, ,......,,, DO THESE SOUND FAMILIAR, YES THEY ARE THE TALKING POINTS OF THE DNC AND MOVEON.ORG...............THEY ARE ALSO PART OF HITLERS 25 POINTS of nazism




sounds like something pelosi,or reid would say...yet it was hitler who said it(chap 12 of mein kampf)


communism/fascism/socialism/nasism/marxism/american liberalism....all globalists...all born of the progressive movement of the late 1800'ss




and hitler took the guns away from ALL people..only governemt people had the ability to have a weapon
So half your post is likening FDR to Stalin and then Mussolini and Hitler.

Seems like your main goal is to obfuscate and vilify.

FDRs policies did not result in a Holocaust or communism that left 20 million dead. I will agree not perfect but better than all the others we have had.
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Old 10-27-2021, 11:52 AM
 
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As I've said before. Feel free to fund single payer healthcare and subsidized college out of your own pocket. But stay the hell out of mine.
This is always a BS argument. If you are engaging in the economy in any way, shopping for lower prices, getting dividends or capital gains then your hand is in someone else’s pocket taking revenue that they generate and giving as little back as possible. It’s just not occurring through government and it is obscured through corporate bureaucracy.

You don’t want anyone in your pockets? Move somewhere where you are truly isolated. Subsistence farm/hunt. Don’t buy things.
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Old 10-27-2021, 11:59 AM
 
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This is always a BS argument. If you are engaging in the economy in any way, shopping for lower prices, getting dividends or capital gains then your hand is in someone else’s pocket taking revenue that they generate and giving as little back as possible. It’s just not occurring through government and it is obscured through corporate bureaucracy.
Spare me the socialist BS line.

Shopping for lower prices = this is THE VERY ESSENCE of a free market capitalist economy.
Buying things = Voluntary exchange of a product or service for money.
Dividends = It's a reward for risking my own capital as a shareholder, which is retained from my EARNED income.
Capital gains = See above^

None of these things involve reaching into another person's pocket and stealing their money against their will.
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Old 10-27-2021, 12:12 PM
 
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Spare me the socialist BS line.

Shopping for lower prices = this is THE VERY ESSENCE of a free market capitalist economy.
Buying things = Voluntary exchange of a product or service for money.
Dividends = It's a reward for risking my own capital as a shareholder, which is retained from my EARNED income.
Capital gains = See above^

None of these things involve reaching into another person's pocket and stealing their money against their will.
Call me a socialist. Good tactic. The cancel culture that is McCarthyism so you don’t have to listen to anything that inconveniences you. You are a precious capitalist snowflake.

If you in any way influence the circumstances that someone has to work or live through your decisions you are in their pocket.

Receiving capital gains is theft. Money just doesn’t magically multiply itself because you have some to spare.

If I give someone some money and tell them on payday to take $1 from each guy at a factory and he can have a portion of what he takes that is the same as “investing” and capital gains. I am giving someone some money he takes the revenue generated by employees and gives me some of that in return. I did no further work to earn that extra money, and the people who truly generated that money now get less. It just has a pretty term to make you feel special.
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Old 10-27-2021, 12:12 PM
 
Location: Central IL
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Uh no.

The rich pay far more than their fair share. Most net taxpayers do.

It's the POOR not paying THEIR faire share.
Can't get blood from a stone...

I've always wondered why so many relatively poor people (incomes under $100k) are so against the truly rich paying more. Do they think they'll all be millionaires someday and have to pay more then?
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Old 10-27-2021, 12:16 PM
 
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Can't get blood from a stone...
How about taking LESS BLOOD ACROSS THE BOARD???

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I've always wondered why so many relatively poor people (incomes under $100k) are so against the truly rich paying more. Do they think they'll all be millionaires someday and have to pay more then?
The 9 most terrifying words in the English Language: "I'm from the government and I'm here to help."
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Old 10-27-2021, 12:17 PM
 
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Receiving capital gains is theft. Money just doesn’t magically multiply itself because you have some to spare.

If I give someone some money and tell them on payday to take $1 from each guy at a factory and he can have a portion of what he takes that is the same as “investing” and capital gains. I am giving someone some money he takes the revenue generated by employees and gives me some of that in return. I did no further work to earn that extra money, and the people who truly generated that money now get less. It just has a pretty term to make you feel special.
Those are voluntary exchanges. Taxation is not.

Capital gains and dividends are a transaction between THE CORPORATION AND INVESTOR. Wages are a transaction between the EMPLOYER AND EMPLOYEE. The employee is not a party to the dividend transaction and the investor is not a party of the wage transaction. The portion of output that belongs to the employee is the wages. The remainder belongs to the corporation and its investors. And how much of the output the corporation gives back to its investors is at the corporation's discretion. ALL of these transactions are voluntary.
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Old 10-27-2021, 12:28 PM
 
Location: Central IL
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Can't get blood from a stone...

I've always wondered why so many relatively poor people (incomes under $100k) are so against the truly rich paying more. Do they think they'll all be millionaires someday and have to pay more then?
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How about taking LESS BLOOD ACROSS THE BOARD???



The 9 most terrifying words in the English Language: "I'm from the government and I'm here to help."
Non sequitur
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Old 10-27-2021, 12:34 PM
 
Location: NMB, SC
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Congress will NEVER be satisfied with the revenue they get. They will always want more and more.

We have $5.3 trillion sitting in bills in Congress and that is money we don't have and Biden saying "it won't cost a cent".

Who do they think they are fooling..us ?
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