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Old 10-28-2021, 07:45 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Sure, if people had to pay cold hard cash for homes, watch home prices tumble, which would fix the housing crisis
Think that through... That would mean wages would tumble. All the trades that work on home construction would earn little to nothing, and that would spread throughout the economy. Since little could be spent on building materials, those who work in those industries would experience drastically tumbling wages, as well. So would the wages of the truck drivers, etc., who transport those materials. It would be a domino effect of drastically falling wages for everyone. Is that what you want?
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Old 10-28-2021, 07:52 AM
 
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I am staying away from your wallet. I'm calling for taxing the wealth of the ultra-rich. No one on this forum would be impacted. There are six individual people who have more wealth than half the world's population combined. An example, Elon Musk could personally eliminate all medical debt for everyone in the US and still be one of the 10 wealthiest people in the world. We're talking about taxation for people at that level.
If you think the government isn't going to go after you or me or anyone else on this board, you're out of your damn mind. DC needs to keep its thieving, lying, scamming, fraudulent hands out of my goddamn wallet.

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Imagine the benefit to the economy if everyone currently crushed under medical debt could suddenly start spending and investing that money.
Imagine the benefit to the economy if the government didn't artificially inflate the market bearing cost of healthcare and education by setting fire to money.

Why the **** do I have to get insurance for a pregnancy? I'm a guy. That is a product of the government's doing.

When does the government say "We need to spend less"??
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Old 10-28-2021, 08:14 AM
 
Location: Just over the horizon
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Rich people think any amount of taxes are unreasonable, because they think they earned all their money in a vacuum, and that anything that is taxed will go to "those awful poors who don't deserve one crumb of it"

Poor/Middle class people use any and all legal deductions or other means of avoiding excessive taxation too.

Stop demonizing others for what is basically human nature because your envious of them.


And NOBODY "deserves" to have money taken from others and given to them.
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Old 10-28-2021, 08:44 AM
 
Location: Live:Downtown Phoenix, AZ/Work:Greater Los Angeles, CA
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Poor/Middle class people use any and all legal deductions or other means of avoiding excessive taxation too.

Stop demonizing others for what is basically human nature because your envious of them.


And NOBODY "deserves" to have money taken from others and given to them.
Sure they do, because taxes aren't theft
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Old 10-28-2021, 08:49 AM
 
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Imagine the benefit to the economy if the government didn't artificially inflate the market bearing cost of healthcare and education by setting fire to money.
The 'free market' is what inflates healthcare costs in the US. Every country with a form of UHC has net lower costs. Taxing the wealthy and paying for things like healthcare and education is how we lower the overall costs.
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Old 10-28-2021, 08:50 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Out of fear?

When the Rich were complaining about Roosevelt's Social programs during the Depression, which could cost the rich some money in extra taxes, Roosevelt told the rich: You either pay more or, through a revolution, you'll lose all of it!

And back then there was even a Communist party which probably really scared the rich!
No one ever taught you stealing peoples money is a bad thing?
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Old 10-28-2021, 08:57 AM
 
Location: Just over the horizon
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Sure they do, because taxes aren't theft


What makes you deserving of money that I made?

Why are you entitled to the fruits of my labor simply by virtue of your existence on this Earth?
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Old 10-28-2021, 08:59 AM
 
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The 'free market' is what inflates healthcare costs in the US. Every country with a form of UHC has net lower costs. Taxing the wealthy and paying for things like healthcare and education is how we lower the overall costs.
Stop with the taxing the "wealthy" BS. We do that more than most countries. This has been explained repeatedly. Social democracies in Europe have flatter income taxes than the US and "regressive" VATs that contribute quite a lot to their generous social benefits. The US doesn't have a VAT.
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Old 10-28-2021, 09:00 AM
 
Location: Live:Downtown Phoenix, AZ/Work:Greater Los Angeles, CA
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What makes you deserving of money that I made?

Why are you entitled to the fruits of my labor simply by virtue of your existence on this Earth?
I bet I earn more than you do, so if anything, I should be the one asking that question of you, but I don't, because I believe in redistribution
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Old 10-28-2021, 09:03 AM
 
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The 'free market' is what inflates healthcare costs in the US. Every country with a form of UHC has net lower costs. Taxing the wealthy and paying for things like healthcare and education is how we lower the overall costs.
We don't have a free market. We have a market distorted by insurance, medicare, and other special interests.

Healthcare costs are down and outcomes are better in the very few segments of healthcare that haven't been distorted by government and insurance companies.

EVERY COUNTRY with UHC taxes the poor more than we do. The middle class will be paying for universal healthcare for EVERYONE.
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