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Why should people stay home? They have the right to go out in public. Instead of vaccine mandates we should be strong restriction on the people who are not vaccinated when they want to circulate in public. You want to do to other people what you are complaining about is done to you. The difference is this situation involves public health. In that case when the rights of two people or groups are in conflict the government must protect the most people.
If you truly believe that you will die if you come into contact with the SAR-CoV-2, then why would you ever leave your house?
Facts:
Vaccinated persons get COVID. Not rare.
Vaccinated persons spread the infection. Not rare
Vaccinated persons get COVID and die. No idea as number fudging doesn't allow for accurate data.
Question: How is a vaccinated person any different from an unvaccinated person?
One person can infect many people taking away their rights to circulate in public without being exposed to a serious disease.
No different from a vaxxed person. I can site a direct incident in which I was involved. Four vaxxed people caught covid from one guy's wife. He had no symptoms, came to work and resulted in the business being locked down for three weeks. Three other vaxxed guys caught the virus, only one was sick from it. The unvaxxed guy did not get it. I did not get it because the vaxx has permanently put me off work so I wasn't there. In that regard, the vaxx worked for me.
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Originally Posted by Enough_Already
Why should people stay home? They have the right to go out in public. Instead of vaccine mandates we should be strong restriction on the people who are not vaccinated when they want to circulate in public. You want to do to other people what you are complaining about is done to you. The difference is this situation involves public health. In that case when the rights of two people or groups are in conflict the government must protect the most people.
There are no difference in the rights of those two groups. If members of either group go out, they put themselves and others at risk of being infected. We are talking about a vaxx here. If anyone wants to get protected, then have the vaxx. The problem is that some people would be safer NOY having the vax. Like me and Floorist.
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Originally Posted by newtovenice
If you truly believe that you will die if you come into contact with the SAR-CoV-2, then why would you ever leave your house?
Facts:
Vaccinated persons get COVID. Not rare.
Vaccinated persons spread the infection. Not rare
Vaccinated persons get COVID and die. No idea as number fudging doesn't allow for accurate data.
Question: How is a vaccinated person any different from an unvaccinated person?
The studies all show the vaccines are safe and effective. There is no support for your comment.
What studies?
The 6 month followup to Pfizer's clinical trial showed 20 deaths in the vaccine group and 14 deaths in the placebo group.
Have you actually read any of the studies yourself?
You cannot rely upon other interpretations, as we can see from your response above.
To quote directly from Pfizer's study:
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"During the blinded, controlled period, 15 BNT162b2 and 14 placebo recipients died; during the open-label period, 3 BNT162b2 and 2 original placebo recipients who received BNT162b2 after unblinding died."
15+3+2 = 20 DIED
source: [url]https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.07.28.21261159v1.full-text[/url]
Going to make an appt with a Cardiologist. Saw my PCP today for symptoms similar to those related to Myocarditis. Had the chest issues about a month after the 2nd Pfizer shot.
Doesn't affect my physical activity, but just a very eerie feeling with what I can best describe as "chest twitches". I am somewhat royally pi55ed about this.
Please post your source so we can review it. I would like to read this.
VAERS and the hearing that just took place last week that the CDC, NIH,and Fauci decided not to come to. Guess they didn't want to look at the people they destroyed, or hear the facts from other experts.
The video of the hearing was posted on this forum already. I'm not going to hold your hand, you read the threads on here.
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Originally Posted by Enough_Already
VAERS is unreliable because anyone can put anything there. Case in point, a person was in a car accident on the way home from get vaccinated. They died two weeks later from injuries from the accident. On VAERS that death is associated with the vaccine when the vaccine had nothing to do with it. The vaccines have been proven safe and effective.
Dumb talking point. 'Anyone' does not put 'anything' on there. The majority (very high percent) are recorded by healthcare workers. The only thing that makes it 'unreliable' is that almost 99% of the side effects are NOT recorded.
A hard core Dem customer that chastised me with the words "Good, more for the people that deserve the vaccine" after I told him I have no intention of being vaxed.
I wish him the best, but he was extremely ill for several weeks, and has developed extreme issues with his vision.
VAERS and the hearing that just took place last week that the CDC, NIH,and Fauci decided not to come to. Guess they didn't want to look at the people they destroyed, or hear the facts from other experts.
The video of the hearing was posted on this forum already. I'm not going to hold your hand, you read the threads on here.
Dumb talking point. 'Anyone' does not put 'anything' on there. The majority (very high percent) are recorded by healthcare workers. The only thing that makes it 'unreliable' is that almost 99% of the side effects are NOT recorded.
And the adverse effects are NOT being shared with the medical community. My doctor said that what happened to me had never been listed as a side effect. Now he knows that thousands had the same side effect.
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