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Old 12-14-2022, 09:52 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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ISW Update 12/14



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Dec 14, 2022 - Press ISW

Russian President Vladimir Putin’s alluded decision to postpone his annual address to the Russian Federation Assembly indicates he remains uncertain of his ability to shape the Russian information space amidst increasing criticism of his conduct of the invasion of Ukraine. The Presidential Address to the Federal Assembly to the Russian State Duma and Federation Council is an annual speech introduced to the Russian constitution in February 1994, roughly equivalent to the US President’s annual State of the Union address. Kremlin Spokesperson Dmitry Peskov stated that Putin may deliver his address to the Federation Assembly in 2023 and called on Russians to stop "fortune-telling with coffee grounds" regarding the timing of the next address. An unnamed government source told the Russian state newswire TASS that the countdown for the new address starts from the date of the previous address, noting that the address is unlikely to take place in 2022. Putin held his last address in late April 2021, discussing his initiatives for the year following the first crisis he caused with the Russian military buildup on the Ukrainian border in early 2021.
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Old 12-14-2022, 10:20 PM
 
Location: NE Mississippi
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Russia will be destroyed forever by this war. The expenses of the war and the losses of huge quantities of equipment, coupled with the lax development of truly modern war machines means Russia will never recover.
Corruption and lack of accountability for funds allocated, resulted in Russia having an inferior army which they tried to pass off as one of the world's best.
This 9 minute video breaks down the numbers. Russia cannot recover. Not ever.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5iNXFEiFbg
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Old 12-14-2022, 11:02 PM
 
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Russia will be destroyed forever by this war. The expenses of the war and the losses of huge quantities of equipment, coupled with the lax development of truly modern war machines means Russia will never recover.
Corruption and lack of accountability for funds allocated, resulted in Russia having an inferior army which they tried to pass off as one of the world's best.
This 9 minute video breaks down the numbers. Russia cannot recover. Not ever.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5iNXFEiFbg
In the last 10 months The Ukraine has been given in armaments and aid well over ONE HUNDRED BILLION DOLLARS...double Russia's entire annual Defense Budget.
If the Russian Military is so weak and so poor...how did they go in with 150K man contingent against a 300K man defensive force that was in place and ready...and manage to cause incredible casualties and damage and take so much ground?
Why weren't they quickly defeated and ousted if they are so bad, going against a force double in size, and fighting on Ukrainian turf?
A tactical standard is to attack with a force of at minimum TRIPLE the mass & scale (in every way...munitions & troops) of the force you are attacking. By this standard they should have had 900,000 men, not 150,000.
They achieved what they did, with a force not even 20% of what it should be? How can that be...if they are so bad and poorly equipped?

And now, even with unprecedented resupply & aid...the Ukrainian Forces have taken back very little and aren't giving much better than they are taking.
If all these claims of such a weak/poor Russian force, and all this NATO (mostly U.S.) aid to Ukraine were valid...things would be very different.
An assessment based upon actual outcomes and what has occurred...basically proves that most of what is being said about the Russian Force is beyond "propaganda", it's a outright lie.
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Old 12-15-2022, 12:03 AM
 
Location: Vancouver, B.C., Canada
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It must be so hard to take this loss for Putin... Since Russia will never recover from this for generations... If you think it is fun now wait a few years or a decade.

Putin you got another thing coming.



Remember I am just trying to give those brave Ukrainian fighters some tunes and the rest of the Russian Civilians and pissed off troops something to jam to as they overthrow Putin.

Also in these hard times give Ukrainians some donated cold weather clothing or anything else to help them out.

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Old 12-15-2022, 01:44 AM
 
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It must be so hard to take this loss for Putin... Since Russia will never recover from this for generations... If you think it is fun now wait a few years or a decade.

Putin you got another thing coming.



Remember I am just trying to give those brave Ukrainian fighters some tunes and the rest of the Russian Civilians and pissed off troops something to jam to as they overthrow Putin.

Also in these hard times give Ukrainians some donated cold weather clothing or anything else to help them out.
All you have done is cheerlead death, destruction, suffering and pain...for imaginary & contrived lines on the ground.
Over which there was a peaceful negotiation all drawn up and in place....but the West didn't want a peaceful settlement, so they nixed it.
https://multipolarista.com/2022/09/0...kraine-russia/

Because the West loves war and all its horrible derivatives...they get off on it.

What will be proved? That Russia is not capable of taking on the U.S. and NATO?
We already know that the U.S. is the richest most powerful Nation in the world...with only China that is anywhere close.

All we have done is prove how much the U.S. loves all the death, destruction, expense, and suffering of war.
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Old 12-15-2022, 02:21 AM
 
Location: Vancouver, B.C., Canada
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What has been proven is Putin's Russia is just a paper tiger that can bark all they want but the whole world now knows that NATO/OTAN is the real truth and united front a true family we just need to bring back SEATO.
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Old 12-15-2022, 02:25 AM
 
Location: Metro Detroit, Michigan
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All you have done is cheerlead death, destruction, suffering and pain...for imaginary & contrived lines on the ground.
Over which there was a peaceful negotiation all drawn up and in place....but the West didn't want a peaceful settlement, so they nixed it.
https://multipolarista.com/2022/09/0...kraine-russia/

Because the West loves war and all its horrible derivatives...they get off on it.

What will be proved? That Russia is not capable of taking on the U.S. and NATO?
We already know that the U.S. is the richest most powerful Nation in the world...with only China that is anywhere close.

All we have done is prove how much the U.S. loves all the death, destruction, expense, and suffering of war.

Just because we are better at war doesn't mean we enjoy it. I never heard any war veterans pretend they had fun while serving their country. It's a job, and also a calling for some. Professionals take their work seriously, even if they don't like it.
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Old 12-15-2022, 03:06 AM
 
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Just because we are better at war doesn't mean we enjoy it. I never heard any war veterans pretend they had fun while serving their country. It's a job, and also a calling for some. Professionals take their work seriously, even if they don't like it.
Even as a soldier over 50 years ago...I said that it was always hero's against hero's.
The "enemy" is just the opposing force...on the "other side". They see it the other way around...of course.
But there are those here cheering this thing...even applauding individual strikes and blasts. Putting music to it.
You gotta really love it to do that.
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Old 12-15-2022, 06:11 AM
 
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Remember how Russia was going to make all of Europe freeze? Anyone knows what happened to that?
Heating in the winter has been unaffordable for many in the poorer European countries even before the current crisis. It's going to be much worse now.
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Old 12-15-2022, 06:17 AM
 
Location: Pennsylvania
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Originally Posted by GldnRule View Post
All you have done is cheerlead death, destruction, suffering and pain...for imaginary & contrived lines on the ground.
Over which there was a peaceful negotiation all drawn up and in place....but the West didn't want a peaceful settlement, so they nixed it.
https://multipolarista.com/2022/09/0...kraine-russia/

Because the West loves war and all its horrible derivatives...they get off on it.

What will be proved? That Russia is not capable of taking on the U.S. and NATO?
We already know that the U.S. is the richest most powerful Nation in the world...with only China that is anywhere close.

All we have done is prove how much the U.S. loves all the death, destruction, expense, and suffering of war.
Exactly.
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